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STARBURY SHINES A LITTLE IN CELTICS PLAYOFF WIN

One Berry
Two Berry
Pick me a blueberry

Hatberry
Shoeberry
In my canoeberry
. . . .

Quickberry
Quackberry
Pick me a blackberry
. . . .

No, I did not make that poem up. Those are lines from one of my favorite children’s books to read to Alpha Dog, Jr. (my son): Jamberry by Bruce Degan.  Alpha Boy likes the book too — one of the few times I can keep him quiet as I try to calm him down for nighty nite. The book has a nice catchy rhythm to it.  Last night, as the Celtics pummeled the Chicago Bulls 107-86, Marbury started to show signs of his former self as he found his own rhythm and gave the Celtics quality minutes.  His line did not totally reflect his contribution to the win which led bench play that will be essential for the Celtics to progress in the playoffs.  In 24 minutes of playing time, Starbury scored 13 points, dished five assists and grabbed three rebounds.    His shooting was still off — he still looked rusty in that regard going 4-10 shooting– but he was moving with a bit of confidence and that focused meanness that propelled him to noteriety early in his career. Although, he did get carried away once with a little over-dribbling where he failed to beat the clock  In fact the Celtics played with the physical nastiness that got them through the playoffs last year, as the refs ignored calls they would have made during the regular season.  Pierce took over the game early last night, but the greatest obstacles for the Bulls may have been their own emotions as  Derrick Rose received the Rookie of the Year award before the game and this group of Bulls played their first playoff game before an enthusiastic and expectant home crowd.  So while it looks like Stephon may finally get to the second round of the playoffs for the first time in his career, there is still plenty of basketball to play before the Bulls are to be counted as dead.

Raspberry
Jazzberry
Razzamatazzberry
Berryband
Merryband
Jamming in Starburyland

In other Knicks news (HeHe), Trevor Ariza and the Lakers finally gave up one to the feisty Utah Jazz in a 88-86 thriller.   Kobe’s shooting was atrocious and Pau Gasol was defensively challenged as he tried to stop Carlos Boozer from beating him off the dribble.  Ariza’s statistical contribution as a starter was barely notable — 9 points and 4 assists in 38 minutes — but they were in the game till the end.  Ah, just a road bump to the inevitable finals showcase.  If the games weren’t so entertaining, you could go to sleep and just wake up when LeBron and Kobe are ready to star in the same show.

Blog  Update:  We added a new page with all of the Knicks scores and stats for the 2008-09 season.  It is a quick and easy reference for every game with tons of links.  We also added a new link section, “Behind Enemy Lines,” to the sidebar.  This is a collection of links of the best enemy blogs that we identify in our travels arond the blogosphere.  I found RedsArmy.com to be well attended and b-ball savvy which is hard to say about any place with more than 2 Celtics fans in the room.  Oh well, I can’t wait until Walsh gets us into the playoffs, so I can back up my Knicks smack and cross enemy lines without being in stealth-hover mode all the time.
LGK.

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April 24, 2009 - Posted by | Boston Celtics, Derrick Rose, Donnie Walsh, Stephon Marbury, Trevor Ariza | , ,

22 Comments »

  1. From “Kareem”, by Kareem Abdul Jabbar, 1990

    “But as I said, the regular season doesn’t mean all that much now.You have to win, obviously, but of the twenty-five teams in the NBA, sixteen are guaranteed a play-off berth. When I started in the league, the play-offs were shorter and you had to finis first or second in your division to get into them. Now the league has expanded the play-offs into a second season that they can promote to people who aren’t particularly into basketball. The networks are paying a lot of money to put the play-offs on the air, and the NBA operates on money. They’ve diminished the regular seasons, turned it into a job, and the fans who really appreciate the game are being cheated, because, with all the travel we do, they’re seldom seeing us at our best That’s the part of the game I don’t like. Is the top team the one that has the best record after 82 games, or the one that survives the the play-offs?”

    Why do we have Mike D’Antoni in NYC.He was an asset in Phonyx.IN NYC he is an even bigger asset.While the good teams in the NBA are D-ing up, the agenda in NYC is marketing (Lebucks?).That’$ $how bi$ in the NBA.Then, now and 4ever$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Comment by Tman | April 24, 2009 | Reply

  2. I’m rooting for Boston and the Trailblazers.
    I watched Boston kick azz without KG last night.
    Meanwhile, Portland’s tied 1-1 with Houston are the
    second game tonight on TNT. Hope everyone’s Familys
    are fine and looking forward to what is susposed to be a
    Beautful sunny day here in Manhattan tomorrow!
    Whats the Fanatic consenses for our draft pick?

    Comment by peaceman1 | April 24, 2009 | Reply

  3. I’d be happy as hell if we get S Curry and it looks like
    that is going to happen. I also hope we Trade Lee for
    a body and a draft pick that ends up being Eric Maynor.
    We’ll be set for the future with a true PG and SG.
    Then get our BIG during the 2010 FA overkill!
    Now the biggest dead weight we have to get rid of
    is Eddy Curry. That happens and we’ll be on our way to
    being a feared team again instead of the joke of the
    league!I can see some light at the end of this Dark tunnel
    we’ve been in the last 9 years! I’m not sure if Beas from Rutgers is even on the Radar, so if he’s not drafted in the 2nd round, he’d be the young shot blocker we could invite to camp or sign immediatley after the draft.
    BTW…Role call for who’s coming to NY for the draft!
    I can pick up the tickets, let me know the $$$ limit
    you guys want to spend. If Walsh picks Rubio, lets Riot
    like hell!

    Comment by peaceman1 | April 24, 2009 | Reply

  4. Peaceman…

    I’m down for the draft. You got my back fr that one right?

    The Westward Hoes the Stern/Walsh retooling has in plan seems to be converting this franchise into a whole new critter perhaps the Euro EthKnicks?

    Comment by orangeandblue1 | April 24, 2009 | Reply

  5. The 2009 NBA Draft date is Thursday June 25th. The NBA Draft will be held at Madison Square Garden in New York. It will begin at 7 p.m. (ET) and will be shown on ESPN.

    I intend to be there. Hold off on buying tickets before the month is out though, please.

    O&B, nice avatar. Care to explain it’s significance? “Euro Ethnicks.” Funny.

    We need a couple of good draft posts. Either of you got something in mind.

    Tman, Kareem, of course, makes a valid point, but apparently a very few teams are constructed to handle the rigors of a 82 game season.

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | April 24, 2009 | Reply

  6. I’m hoping we get that PG from N.C.,Ty Lawson.He seems like a solid pick at a position we will need after they let N8 walk.Stephen Curry just seem to light to dee-up,but he can score given the shots.ESPN’s mock draft has the Knicks picking Curry at 8.

    Comment by D L T Knicks | April 24, 2009 | Reply

  7. Lives

    This may be a belated response

    I tend to agree with States take on the situation regarding the Knicks interest in Carlos Cabezas. “Charles Many Heads” is on the Knicks point guard radar screen according to many of the daily reads. And as you well know what’s a body without a head and aint the point guard spot the head spot that runs the team on the court?

    But the question is are the Knicks looking to get ahead by acquiring Charles or are they giving head b/c the team’s interest in this otherwise unknown Europlayer basicaly blows.

    I’ll play a bit of point counter point on this, …

    In Carlos’ defense I was going to raise the following questions

    1. How does the Spanish version of the Euro-Game, if it varies at all, fit into the D’antoni style of play- i.e., is a Euro-point/Spanish-point a good fit for the current reincarnation of the Knicks?

    2. What particular discernable skillsets does “Many Heads,” individually bring to the table that would make him a good fit for the Seven seconds finesse mess?

    But sadly the stats you listed below seem to really take the wind out of the sails in that line of questioning.

    — To repeat your salient points and stat lines —-

    “Yet, as I look at his [Cabezas] recent performances, I don’t understand what Walsh is looking at. Carlos is not much of a scorer. He doesn’t even start all games for Unicaja. He shoots less than 30% from the arc. His highest career assists in the Euroleague was 7 in a game and he averaged 1.5 assists and 1.5 rebounds this year.”

    To say the least those stats and realities of “Many Heads” tell a story that makes me wonder as you said,…

    —— “what the heck is Donny Walsh thinking” ——-

    Heads wasn’t amongst the best of his countrymen to merit a spot on the vaunted Spanish National Basketball team,… heck he isn’t even a full time starter on his own team.

    His career high in assist is WHAT? 7 only! He only shoots under a 3rd from beyond the arc and averages only 1.5 assist per game with about nearly double that in turn overs?

    States is righ on and here is my take on why the Knicks are giving a blowjob to the Euro EthKnicks they are looking to cull into the once proud Garden….

    Recall that anytime a Spanish National player shows up in the Garden there are plenty of Spanish Flags, and probrably fags, flying about- Oh God I’m going to puke!

    But that said them white boy spaniards will pay money to see one of there own. The ancillary benefit is that MSG can also peddle that they have a “Latino” on the team.

    They could have done that with Lopez an American kid with real talent and upside,… but Lopez is generic and the hispanic fanbase isn’t as prosperous as the Spanish one is. So numbers tell the story,… seel some tickets to some Nationalistic Iberians even if the score on the mans stat sheet indicates that his game isn’t even on sufficient par to merit star statuts in a very good Spansih Basketball league. How the heck can he even fair well in the pros.

    If you wan’t a Euro go for Argentinean Euro Ballers, they’re scrappy and passionate- e.g., Ginobli, Oberto, Nocioni, Scola. Then again while of Italian origines Argentineans are americans.

    Comment by orangeandblue1 | April 24, 2009 | Reply

  8. Lives

    The Puma and the Indian. Sounds like my home country to me.

    Comment by orangeandblue1 | April 24, 2009 | Reply

  9. I’m glad to see Marbury getting some valuable shine and a chance to rehab his smeared image.

    He messed up here but if he makes good it will go a long way towards landing another gig in the States or elsewhere.

    Comment by orangeandblue1 | April 24, 2009 | Reply

  10. ……And how do I change that green and white symbol next to my name?

    Comment by D L T Knicks | April 24, 2009 | Reply

    • DLT, that symbol is an avatar which you can change by signing up at Gravatar.com.

      Signing up for a gravatar.com account is FREE, and all that’s required is your email address. Once you’ve signed up you can upload your avatar image and soon after you’ll start seeing it on gravatar enabled sites!

      If you need any help designing an avatar that is satisfactory to you let me or O&B know.

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | April 24, 2009 | Reply

  11. O&B, that is a very interesting take regarding the Spanish v. the Hispanic fanbase. Is the Spanish fanbase (locally or internationally) really a more financially attractive market than the Latino fan base?

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | April 24, 2009 | Reply

  12. Well Spain is situated in Western Europe a member of the EU while most latin American countries, while in some stage of development aren’t as developed as Spain. Argentina, Chile, Brazil are the larger scale economies and only two of those countries have basketball leagues that produce quality NBA calibur talent.

    Euro’s or pesos,… Euro’s as a currency is perferable. I also very much suppose that unlike some Hispanic nationalities, Mexican, Puerto Rican, Dominican, The Spanish population in the Tri stat area is generally from a higher standard of living.

    So yes, Stern/Walsh and Dolan will brin in a scrub who can help them get some Euro coins in their cofers.

    I’d prefer a quality Euro player and not a back up. I think most would agree on that if the choice is to go Euro.

    Comment by orangeandblue1 | April 25, 2009 | Reply

  13. Hey O&B,

    I am certainly no expert in Euro-Spanish versus Hispanic or Latino culture but we may all be experts after talking with you on this issue.

    I am not certain though that the NBA views the distinction quite the way you describe it. (Lives, that issue would be a great post by someone) Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think the focus for the NBA is not Spain v. Latin America but the conquering of Europe period. I would suspect that since the NBA tends to make most of its money from television revenues, it is seeking to establish a fan base and partnerships that take a holistic approach to Europe and its telecommunications infrastructure.

    The NBA has a relatively strong and growing relationship with the Hispanic community in the US and Latin America. That relationship is reflected during the All-Star Week which takes on a Latino flavor. I am pretty sure that the executive handling this consumer base is in charge of the “Latin America and U.S. Hispanic market.”

    The NBA already has a strong relationship with the Telemundo Network which reaches 93% of U.S. American households and is owned by NBC Universal, so I am not sure there is a preference for Spain over Latin America. I think NBA involvement with Europe is part of the Europe-China-India strategy, while Latin America and the U.S. Hispanic market are a bit more unified here.

    Also, don’t you think it is extremely hard to make the comparison between Latino-American wealth and Spanish wealth. Of course, there are Latinos from various economic strata, but there are loads of Latins from higher economic stratas in the U.S. Some of these communities have been established in this country longer than the Gringos.

    The Latino presence in NBA-Miami and NBA-L.A. is significant for example. I know Lives doesn’t discriminate but he seems to post La Chicas from the Miami Heat more than he posts about Donnie Walsh. (I’m not mad at you brother, keep it coming). In other words, Stern is not ignoring the Latino held coin, I think he’s just trying to get deeper into European pockets than he currently is.

    What do you think?

    Comment by igmknicks | April 25, 2009 | Reply

    • Brother, tell me who wouldn’t love posting Las Chicas.

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | April 25, 2009 | Reply

    • YesIGMKnicks,…

      Perhaps I didn’t clearly state my point when I said do you choose to put Euros, (as in the European EU currency) or pesos/quetzales/soles, (Various Latin American Currencies) etc., in your cofers.

      Athough I haven’t checked recently I figure the exchange rate of the Euro to the Dollar is far better than any of that Latin American Currency out there,.. so no doubt that’s why the NBA is on that Westward Ho’ to the European Market.

      No doubt that certain Latin American ethinicities have been around longer than “americans,” whatever that means- e.g., Chicanos/Mexicans. But if you look at the the various Latin American “communities”- Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Domincans, Cubans, Spanish,… and many others- the amount of people of each of those communities living within the middle to upper class of them economic brackets varies. My point is that when Domincan players Charlie Villanueva or Francisco Garcia; or Puerto Rican Players Juan Jose Barrea or Carlos Arroyo; Mexican Players Eduardo Najera; Brazilian players Nene, Anderson Varajeao, Leandro Barbosa; Argentinean players Manu Ginobli, Fabricio Oberto, or Andres Nocioni come to the garden there aren’t sizeable flag waving contingents of those countries people out there to cheer there local hero? But when Caldero, Fernandez, Rodriguez or the Gasol bros stop to the Garden you’ll see them Iberians out there to root on there countrymen. So why wouldn’t the Garden shrewdly look to acquire a Spaniard to have as a draw to the Iberian community in the Tri State area or the vairious Spanish tourist to frequent that same area to visit family. Them peeps will pay to see there boys play.

      Money talks BS walks.

      Comment by orangeandblue1 | April 25, 2009 | Reply

  14. “Why More is Less”–The Paradox of Choice

    ‘Lives’there are so many trinkets on this new site that I am having a hard time figuring out who to respond to and what I need. When do you give the tutorial bro?

    Man playoff basketball is a different ANIMAL. Have the Fanatics noticed that in the playoffs defense and tempo becomes dominant. Even out West, the Run-N-Shoot takes a back seat. D’Antoni will steal wins early in the season before teams bunker down and make the playoff push. However the last 25 games or so, and the playoffs when the DEE-FENSE gets turned up a level is when the Knicks will continue to slide. Euro ball may entertain, but will it Win?

    Peace & Blessings

    Comment by Statesman2 | April 25, 2009 | Reply

  15. Tell me what you need brotherman. What would you like for me to cut out — the videos, music, links, comments or posts? Whatever you guys need to feel comfortable.

    In terms of the comments, they can go three comments deep. You can reply directly to any comment which has reply below it. The responding comment will appear in a box within the box of the target comment. The first responding comment can also receive a response. The net effect is that the comment section is not linear; comment threads can be maintained closer to the original comments.

    If this is too confusing and we are unable to adapt, I can always make it simply linear or Fanatics can just put comments in the “Leave a Comment” box as before.

    Just let me know. I’m always up for innovation and “more” fun-utility. I prefer Batman’s utility belt over Green Lantern’s ring. LOL.

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | April 25, 2009 | Reply

  16. CELTIC.COM COMMENTS ON STEPH

    Marbury

    I remember the days of Davis as a sixth man, when everyone but Davis himself was ecstatic with the situation. I just hope this isn’t one of those cases where it’s hard to notice from the sideline that we have a guy who can’t come to terms with his role.

    I think Marbury can be a tremendous asset off the bench next season, if he wants to stay here as the first player off the bench. He is a way better perimeter defender than I expected (well, to be fair, I didn’t have any particular expectation about this part), he is extremely skilled in finding the open man on offense, and has a knack of working the defense until an open man shows up. I couldn’t care less if he shoots .400 from the field.

    by kozlodoev on Apr 24, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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    As much as I dreaded “Starbury” joining the Celtics I have wanted Marbury to succeed. While I realize as a person he is probably somewhere between the hated, selfish Starbury cartoon character and the model citizen/backup PG we admired last night, nonetheless I am very pleased to see him fitting in and contributing. And yeah, I was in awe of that sequence too.

    by Thruthelookingglass on Apr 24, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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    I’m waiting for the other shoe (Brick) to drop.

    by jurrasicearl on Apr 24, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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    Yes… At least somethings are going our way. Marbury is getting better game by game. Just his handle is invaluable to this team. His shooting and rebounding is a big plus. His passing makes that second unit run. Nice to see Scal back too!

    by liamail on Apr 24, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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    Walker “CB member scurvmeister said it before I could: “Instead of the token Bill Walker blowout dunk…we had him going up to snatch an alley-oop pass out of the air. Works for me.” Amen.”
    -That was Way better than a dunk!

    by liamail on Apr 24, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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    That was a sweet play. By the way, I checked into “Blog-A-Bull” after the win. The posts on that site are laced with an unbelievable about of profanity. It really kind of shocked me. Made me think we have quite a classy act here on Celticsblog.

    by jurrasicearl on Apr 24, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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    Not typical but 30 point playoff blowouts can do that.

    …there’s some folks that, if they don’t know, you can’t tell ’em.

    by Envy on Apr 24, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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    Does it matter? It’s the internet, for god’s sakes.

    Joakim Noah: Better than you.

    by Prevenge on Apr 24, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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    I’m happy that Steph seems to be getting along very well with Rajon. It’s so much fun to watch them work together on the court.

    by Pengaloo on Apr 24, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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    Marbury… …played like a Celtic last night. Good stuff!

    by BleedinGreen417 on Apr 24, 2009 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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    Something to be excited about is a nice change of pace. Every bit of news since the regular season wound down has been bad bad and more bad. Marbury can give us a little of that confidence back.

    by spinz on Apr 24, 2009 3:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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    real happy to see it as much as Marbury was an easy player to hate before becoming a C, I have been pulling strongly since he came to the time. I just love that Boston is the place to come to breath new life into a career, reclimate your reputation as a hard worker and team player. Between the pats, sox, celtics and bruins there are just a ton of examples.

    Marbury is genuinely into the game only play 15 minutes per game off the bench. He’s giving it a full effort on defense, and continues to move the basketball. just a pleasure to watch the transformation and winning attitude he’s developed so quickly.

    city of champions

    by WillyBeamin on Apr 24, 2009 3:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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    He isn’t getting better game by game. He got better for one game. There was another regular season game where he was acceptable. That’s two games out of how many?

    Had they given the minutes to Pruitt, IMHO Pruitt would now be ahead of where Marbury is. But that’s water over the dam. We just have to hope that Marbury will not cost us a playoff series.

    by Brickowski on Apr 24, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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    wow brick… come on man. you’ve been on here hating marbury ever since the idea of the trade came up. He was just a big part of a playoff win, he’s doing and saying all the right things, including playing some great on ball defense, and you are STILL pulling for pruitt. You’re losing all credibility.

    by WillyBeamin on Apr 24, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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    lol he had one good game and now he’s become a great on ball defender! I think u have a credibility issue Willy!

    by Adrigol6 on Apr 24, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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    go ask Doc who has been playing ben gordon well on the ball he’ll tell you stephon marbury, don’t go by what I’m saying.

    by WillyBeamin on Apr 24, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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    lol so ur using Rivers as ur argument. I win that one in a landslide!

    by Adrigol6 on Apr 24, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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    and honestly do you watch the games? you’re going to tell me marbury hasn’t been solid on defense? people have all sorts of preconcieved notions about the guy, based soley on his time in boston he has been above average defensively.

    by WillyBeamin on Apr 24, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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    I haven’t seen Marbury take 1 CHARGE since he came aboard! NOT ONE! He’s the only guy on that team that i’ve yet to see take a charge!

    by Adrigol6 on Apr 25, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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    Comment by livesinnewjersey | April 25, 2009 | Reply

  17. Lives

    Did you chime in on that Boston Celtics site regarding Marbury’s performance. Were you cheered for supporting the Scowled one or Jeered for being a Knicks fan? Hahaha!

    Comment by orangeandblue1 | April 25, 2009 | Reply

  18. They don’t scowl at Knicks fans anymore. They just hand them a hanky for tears, a cross for prayers, sunglasses to hide behind and a release form to sign stating that their superstar is not liable for the pain and suffering caused when he scores a season high or break an NBA record. Then when you leave the room they all die laughing.

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | April 25, 2009 | Reply

  19. Stephon Being Groomed In The Ways Of A Champion
    source: Stephon Right On Point by Mark Murphy, Boston Herald

    “I’m just happy for Steph,” Celtics coach Doc Rivers said. “You know the history, but you could see guys pulling for him all game. He plays a team game and he hasn’t had an opportunity in this playoff to play much or play well. I was just really happy for him.”

    Not as happy as Marbury, though.

    “My role is growing,” he said. “Getting into the game in the first quarter, that’s big business.

    “It’s a lot different from getting in in the second quarter with nine, 10 minutes to go. Getting into the game a lot earlier, it allows me to loosen up and get going a lot quicker. It definitely helps.”

    But there’s a difficult requirement. Marbury, never known as a defender, now must earn his keep tracking players like Rose and Ben Gordon, who torched the Celtics in Games 1 and 2, respectively.

    “The emphasis on defense is definitely by far the biggest thing here,” Marbury said. “It’s always defense. We have so many guys who can score, so we don’t really concentrate on that. It’s always about defense here.”

    As evidenced by the 2-1 lead the C’s will carry into Game 4 tomorrow, defense can take care of a lot, including a player’s growth within the series.

    “I think he’s doing a great job,” Kendrick Perkins [stats] said of Marbury. “He’s playing with a lot of confidence now. He’s a playmaker, and I know it takes a while to get into the flow, but he’s doing it. He’s been (in the playoffs) before, so we know what he’s capable of doing. We just have to continue to bring him and Mikki (Moore) along.”

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | April 26, 2009 | Reply


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