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May 21, 2009 - Posted by | Uncategorized


  1. Ha Ha Ha Ha! Lives and O&B,
    You two have penned the Cav’s in conversation
    with me me as the EC Champs!

    O&B …Give up the Curry doubts..the kid
    will be our Superstar. Defensive Jesus? Hell no!
    However, I think he will be our “go to guy” along
    the Bernard King level. He will be our first piece
    of another rebuild. We can build around him. D’antoni
    will have to go or bring in a defensive wiz as assistant
    coach to build our foundation on cement rather than the sand we have been using the last 36 years! Curry is not
    D’antoni’s best friends son. The best comparison is that Curry may turn out similar to the “PEARL” in a 2009
    type way, minus the Pearl’s flash!

    Magic vs Nuggets! Magic vs Nuggets! Magic vs Nuggets!
    BTW…the CLIPPERS roster with Blake Griffen, are going to
    a NIGHTMARE and May do a Celtic type turnaround next year!
    Seriously…take a look at that Roster!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by Peaceman | May 21, 2009 | Reply

    • Sorry Peaceman

      If Curry is selected and does well in NY great, I’ll do a mea culpa.


      I’m on board with Brandon Jennings, like what I read about this kid the speed quickness, the signs of maturation, the way higher cieling.

      If I had to pick 8 for New York and Curry and Jennings are availabel I take Jennings HANDS DOWN! HANDS DOWN!

      Comment by orangeandblue1 | May 23, 2009 | Reply

  2. NUGGETS…….played one hell of a game! Chancy’s self
    inbound pass off Kobe’s back will go down in History! Does Trevor Ariza’s play … make you want to strangle Larry Brown? Will there be more “Magic” tonight?????

    Comment by Peaceman | May 22, 2009 | Reply

    • YEAH–Looking at Ariza play and seeing Balkman on that Denver bench are testaments to IT’s eyes for talent. Funny how the NC guy would take on a Balkman. The ABS HOF coach must have had some input on that move.

      Say what you want but the Black Mamba coughed up the game last nite. Chauncey is the TRUTH.


      Comment by Steady | May 22, 2009 | Reply

      • Steady…you know whats good!

        Comment by Peaceman | May 22, 2009

  3. Were you a Witness?

    Comment by igmknicks | May 23, 2009 | Reply

    • More importantly and much better said IGMKnicks is…


      Comment by orangeandblue1 | May 23, 2009 | Reply

  4. Be A Witness!

    Comment by igmknicks | May 23, 2009 | Reply

    • Good last second heroics by LBJ. However, it’s all
      fundamental. They can’t beat the Magic. So, Cleveland
      will live with that shot and define their season on it!

      Comment by Peaceman | May 23, 2009 | Reply

  5. Next week, maybe starting tomorrow, I will have a ten part series, for you, on the Knicks best choices at the #8 spot. Based on the mock drafts and Fanatic comments, there are 10 possible choices to address our needs at the point guard spot. I will provide an extensive scouting report, including video and interviews, on each of the following draft prospects to help you make well informed decisions:

    Ty Lawson
    Stephen Curry
    Eric Maynor
    DeMar DeRozan
    Gerald Henderson
    Jonny Flynn
    Brandon Jennings
    Ricky Rubio
    Patrick Mills
    Jeff Teague

    I disagree with those who believe this is a weak draft. The problem with the draft is that it is extremely difficult to separate the competition, especially amongst the point guards. There is a lot of talent out there amongst the youngsters. All of these ballers have a handle, decent to excellent court vision, an ability to score and considerable upside. There are still the unmeasurables including heart which overcomes a multiplicity of deficiencies.

    Personally, I think it is a big mistake to discount Stephen Curry simply because he is a media darling based on his scoring. I agree it is easy to get lured by NCAA scoring leaders who most often translate into short-term NBA ballers. It has taken Reddick quite a while to find his place and Morrison still hasn’t found his. However, Curry is very special and has an advantage in immeasurables that make him a far better choice at 8 than Gallinari was at 6.

    In fact, I would not be surprised if Curry is not on the board at the 8th spot. The Mock Drafts have Oklahoma City picking Thabeet since they need an inside presence, but they also need another scorer from the 1-2 spot. Presti is well aware of that need and could possibly pull the trigger on Curry or Rubio, if available.

    Curry has two things going for him that should be studied in depth. First, his pedigree. Not only does he have an understanding of the NBA from his experience with Dad, his family is very supportive and have instilled in him and his brothers core values that operate well beyond basketball. Curry is also well-conditioned workaholic. Second, he has the quickest release of all the guards in the draft which means he can get his shot off with very little spacing and he can score from any spot on the floor.

    As you will see in my reports, there are several good choices if Curry is not available. Ty Lawson and Gerald Henderson are at the top of the list although Henderson is not spectacular. I think Patrick Mills will be back in school before June 25th. It is probably a good idea for Jeff Teague to return too unless he doesn’t mind being drafted number 17 – 23. There is a lot to like about Brandon Jennings but he seems awfully young mentally. Europe has helped I gather.

    Anyway, I’ll let you decide after I issue my full reports.

    Comment by igmknicks | May 23, 2009 | Reply

  6. Ricardo Rubio holds key to draft. As a European, he can veto any team that takes him if the local market for endorsements (sneakers,etc. and appearances) is too small. Rubio needs about $6 million to buy out his own contract in Spain. No NBA team can offer more than $500 K under league rules. Thus Rubio needs a good market with preferably a sizeable Hispanic population (LA or NY). Memphis or OKCity or even Sacaramento will not provide it.

    If LA takes Blake Griffen, as expected, then Rubio or his agent (he now has the same one who represented Yi) tells all teams ahead of the Knicks (Memphis, OKCity,Sacramento, etc.) to forget Ricky-boy coming to their town, then Rubio could fall to the Knicks at No, 8 and no trade-up need be made to get him.

    The question is do the Knicks want him over other players available. The answer depends on whether or not Rubio shows up for workouts and/or pre-draft competition.
    If he fails to show, then Knicks should stay away from another untested Euro-child. At present, Ricky-boy at 18 has Pete Maravich-like potential but is not yet ready for prime time. How long can the Knicks wait after so many losing seasons?

    Comment by Post-up Prince | May 23, 2009 | Reply

    • Nice update on Rick Rubio’s possible draft status Postup Prince

      The additional thing to consider about the New York market and the surrounding environs is that there is a strong Iberian contigent in that area of the US and not only a strong Latino Population.

      If he does hold all his cards to force an 8th spot opening to be drafted by the Knicks he should certainly be considered but with the following caveat…

      He must out to the states and compete against the crop of other point guard or combo guards that the Knicks should be looking at at the 8th spot.

      If he comes out and can play with the sharp shooters like curry and speed demon like Jennings and even play above these young stars then there is nothing wrong in the Knicks taking him.

      My take is still to take Brandon Jennings, all the arguments against not taking him are addressed by the same defense raised by many a hahnite or other bloggers throughout the blogosphere to take either rubio or to defend the drafting of Gallinari.

      Brandon Jennings!

      Comment by orangeandblue1 | May 23, 2009 | Reply

      • Brandon Jennings needs more seasoning. Knicks need the right balance of Curry. Right now we got too much.

        Comment by livesinnewjersey | May 24, 2009

  7. What did the Pistol ever win, in the final analysis?Loved the guy but he needed a good team around him.He also played no D, which didn’t help him to be a winner, even though he played with a tough team at Atlanta who basically resented him for a multitude of reasons.Point is Rubio is neither 6’5″ Pistol’s height, doesn’t have schoolyard toughness or game (unless the schoolyard is somewhere in soccer crazy Spain)and can’t shoot like Pistlo could on his bad days.Just being a great passer doesn’t make you the One.Look at the athleticism and toughness of the new NBA guards in N.O., Utah and Portland.He will get eaten his first year and after that who knows?Bottom line is he is too soft, unathletic and inexperienced to help a unsupportive bunch of defensive cupcakes like we have right now.Nate would eat his lunch after he stole it, and he’s not even that tough defensively.From what I hear Jennings is a talented turnover machine.So he’s probably perfect for Mike D.We don’t need the next Pistol, we need the next Courtney Lee.LGK

    Comment by Tman | May 23, 2009 | Reply

    • Funny. I am not sold on Rubio’s overall game, but he is very entertaining. I could stand to watch him play for another team.

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | May 24, 2009 | Reply

  8. I await IMG’s breakdown. I for one, need more info on
    Jennings. I haven’t seen him play so I don’t have a gut feeling about him. I also agree this is a strong draft
    guard wise! My delemia is if Curry and Teague are there
    passing on either can haunt you forever. We all saw what Curry could do two years ago when he put little Davison
    on his back and made the elite Eight with teammates who
    couldn’t make the D-league. I’ve watch Teague this year…
    ALOT. What impressed me was his commitment on both ends.
    I could not help but see a younger version of Kobe in Teauge.

    Last night it was a former Knick drafted at #43 that
    beat the Nuggets. His defense was superb and he worked
    on his shot…enough to be an ALLSTAR in the upcoming
    years. Yes it was the “Delusional” Trevor Arizia! Yeehsh!

    Comment by Peaceman | May 24, 2009 | Reply

  9. TMan: I am by no means sold on Rubio unless, as you say, he competes and shows well against other potential guards in the draft. As to the comparison between Jennings and Curry, I like Jennings as a point guard and Curry as a shooting guard. His point guard potential is there but will take a season or two to develop.

    I would actually prefer that the Knicks go after Ramon Sessions (restricted free agent from Milwaukee)as their point guard. Sessions is a proven PG who can distribute, score from outside, and drive to the hoop, and his game has not nearly reached its full potential. Knicks could outbid the Bucks for Sessions: 6 – 7.5 million would likely force a sign and trade with Knicks giving up little (Hughes or Mobley’s contract) in return. Then at the 8 spot, the Knicks could draft the the best shooting guard available–probably Curry. They could also consider trading or exchanging that pick down for a shot blocking center in the paint. Nate will likely be traded–maybe for a No. 1 draft choice in 2010 or packaged with one or more others for a shot-blocker–an absolute priority after a PG. LGK

    Comment by Post-up Prince | May 24, 2009 | Reply

  10. Post-Up, I love the way you’re thinking man. While, I am not sure about Sessions running the D’Antoni offense, I like the way you are shaping the team and thinking about moving pieces. I think you are dead on about how Curry becomes more valuable if we get another point.

    I would rather keep Nate than Duhon though.

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | May 24, 2009 | Reply

  11. Back of the Bus,

    IMG, IGM, or ING. Will you copy the other blogs analysis on the draft, or will you add your insight? I can read the others at their place.

    Brandon Jennings Fanatics.
    He possess the speed & quickness that you cannot teach ,and the ability to get to the middle and distribute or go to the hole. The Euros restricted his game but also allowed him to play in a controlled environment.
    He has the same experience as Derrick Rose, the quickness of Devin Harris, and the passing ability of N8,……..Tiny that is.

    Rubio may be “White Chocolate”, but I suspect he is more Luke Ridenour. Ridenour has a tough time keeping up with the speed guards and his lack of physicality hurts also. Ridenour is not a bad player, but he is not an 8th pick.

    Lenis Kleiza has great form and range on his shot. His ability to provide offense off the bench most nights is a plus. He does not rebound and is a liability on defense, but he has good form on his stroke. However he is not a vital piece to ANY puzzle, nor would he or his contributions influence LeBron to join him as a teammate. In addition his talent is not worthy of the sixth pick in the draft. Boobie Gipson was a second rounder, and Eddie House a free-agent. Why am I focusing on Kleiza……His game mirrors the Roos-TA . Fanatics while the Knicks passed on a big man (Lopez), the Nets got a steal at # 10. Walsh & D’Antoni figured last year was house money so they rolled the dice, unfortunately they will realize that every draft is big.
    Brandon Jennings or BUST

    Peace & Blessings

    Comment by Statesman2 | May 24, 2009 | Reply

  12. Statesman2 thank you for the feedback (if only, I could have that many names).

    You are correct; you could read the selected excerpts at their original spots. Please feel free to do so. Also note that I facilitated that possibility by adding links to the full analysis at NBA and Draft Express.

    Obviously the point of the report was to collate information from various sources to allow readers to make their own decisions, not to force them to rely solely on my opinion. I think the heart of the piece is the video collection which allow readers to see for themselves. I would venture a guess that not everyone can be as certain about Brandon Jennings’ work in Europe as those like you who apparently have developed first hand knowledge based on your frequent travels there as opposed to the reports you have read in the rags and the magazines.

    By the way, my opinion leads off the piece and for the record, my opinion of Brandon Jennings, based on what I’ve seen and read, is far less favorable. In fact, IMHO, speed and quickness are overrated in NBA point guards; decision-making on the move and execution (passing, shooting, rebounding) are the keys for a great point. Deron Williams, Chris Paul, John Stockton, Isiah Thomas, just to name a few, were not great primarily because of speed and quickness. Jennings is at least three years of fundamentals away from being serviceable for 29 minutes per game.

    Comment by igmknicks | May 25, 2009 | Reply

  13. Statesman2, I had to double check to confirm, but I recalled that you claimed that Lawson was among the over-rated point guards in the draft (Comment #1 in the previous thread).

    I don’t know whether this is your MO, but you neither supported your comment nor elaborated. Over-rated, based on what information and sources?

    Lawson is the leader of the 2009 NCAA Champions and most analysts have him going between 8th and 17th in the draft. Like you, more people are hyping Jennings over Lawson.

    I would be interested in your rationale as to why Lawson is over-rated. Based on your comments about Jennings, I can only assume that it is because Lawson does not have the speed and quickness of a Jennings.

    Clearly, if you watch the videotape, Lawson certainly has the ability to distribute and go to the hole.

    I look forward to your learned perspective.

    Comment by igmknicks | May 25, 2009 | Reply

  14. IMG,
    Lawson is too small for the NBA. It was pure luck his
    shot was on in the Big Dance. We passed on Augustin last
    year who is in another League compared to Lawson. IMO,
    we try to trade with Portland and get the under used Bayless. Even if Curry is gone at 8, we select Maynor
    (if Teague goes back to school) and use Bayless at the two!

    Last night Miller, Barkley and the Jet…called out the
    Horrible job the ref’s were doing, and I’m glad they did as
    despite the bias of Stern trying to create a Kobe vs Lebron
    finals…the Magic aren’t folding with the pure bullshit calls favoring the Cav’s! Howard had the Cleanest block of the season on LEBRON from behind last night which was painfully obvious not a foul. Lebron sure as hell did goaltend and was given a Block? Looking for another MJ
    is going to take more than Kobe and LBJ put together.
    We were lucky to have wittnessed MJ ..the greatest player
    who ever played the Game ( at guard)

    Comment by Peaceman | May 25, 2009 | Reply

  15. IGM,
    I appreciate the work that you do in keeping the Fanatics informed about the Knicks and the NBA. Collating under one roof makes it more convenient. I was hoping that you would include your opinion because most of the times we agree. However, when we disagree……..WE REALLY DISAGREE

    In fact, IMHO, speed and quickness are overrated in NBA point guards; Comment by igmknicks | May 25, 2009 |

    Rush has infiltrated the system and posted the above under your moniker. IGM you are entitled to a mulligan. IGM, are you drowning in the holiday sauce?

    I separated speed and quickness for a reason. Speed in basketball is the ability to get from one spot on the floor to another in an extremely short period of time. Quickness in basketball is the ability to move laterally from one spot on the floor to another at a fast rate.. You do not need speed to be successful as a point guard, but you MUST have quickness. Every point guard that you listed (Deron Williams, Chris Paul, John Stockton, Isiah Thomas), has or had either speed quickness or both.

    Regarding Ty Lawson
    From all reports Ty Lawson is a fine young man. My observations are based on extrapolating his game to the next level, only. This is purely from Statesman watching Ty Lawson for three years in the ACC. Any resemblance to another scouting report is truly coincidental, and not intended.
    Ty Lawson has straight ahead speed. He excels when given the ball and told to run down the court before the other team has a chance to get back on the college level.
    However his speed is negated in the half-court and his inability to beat his man off the dribble and finish is exposed. He has average quickness and his jump-shot is below average, he actually shoots a flat footed shot that he will have a tough time getting off at 5.9-5.10. His decision making is suspect, because Carolina played at one-speed and one speed only. When teams took Carolina out of the running game and slowed the pace Lawson was an insignificant player on the floor. Ty Lawson think Speedy Claxton.

    I would venture a guess that not everyone can be as certain about Brandon Jennings’
    work in Europe as those like you who apparently have developed first hand knowledge based on your frequent travels there as opposed to the reports you have read in the rags and the magazines. Comment by igmknicks | May 25, 2009

    IGM I do not put as much credibility in the reports as you. I use my own eyes. For example if I believed the experts Darko would be a great pro, and Joe Dumars would be justified in passing on Carmelo, Wade & Bosh, (bigger gaffe than drafting Bowie over Jordan in my opinion). In 2002 the reports in the rags and mags hyped Nikoloz Tskitisholli into the number 5 pick in the draft ahead of Amare. IGM you watch highlights of players and come away impressed with the obvious. I watch highlights and look through the veneer.

    Peace & Blessings

    Comment by Statesman2 | May 25, 2009 | Reply

    • States your point about the importance of quickness in the half court game is dead on!

      Comment by orangeandblue1 | May 25, 2009 | Reply

  16. I like your points on Ty Lawson. Certainly worth considering. You are probably mostly correct if he is constantly forced to go one-on-one in half court sets. But, with picks, ball movement and constant motion he should be able to get that shot off and with his accuracy find open players.

    Furthermore, it is very, very difficult to evaluate one’s ability to beat a team off the dribble from the arc and lower and make comparisons between college and the pros. The difference in half-court college game and the pros is enormous. In college where variations on the zone are played it is difficult to break down good defenses off one-on-one dribble confrontation. In the NBA where hand checking is disallowed, zones are rare, most teams are lousy at defending the pick and roll, and many guards play the ball and not the body, it is tough to make that comparison.

    You got me on the “flat-footed shot.” Interesting. I see he does shoot set shots from a flat-footed position often, but I am not sure about the connection between getting off jumpers before defenders jump out and starting with your feet flat on the ground. Something for me to pay attention to. Very interesting.

    Actually, Statesman, everything I am reading has Jennings higher than both Lawson and Curry. The risk he took in going to Europe seems to have paid off in great public relations. Yet, when I look at the film available, I see someone with a bad shot and not great decision-making.

    That leads me to the point about speed and quickness. You explained it very well, however, my point was that “you” were overrating speed and quickness as it applies to the comparison between Jennings and Lawson and Curry. Speed and quickness are nullified by poor decision-making abilities in a point guard. Lack of speed is enhanced by great decision-making in a point guard.

    Can you tell me that Jennings speed and quickness are packaged with someone who can make decisions and execute them in accordance with his natural gifts of speed and quickness? If the answer is yes, then perhaps he is the best prospect on the board. Perhaps.

    (We agree on the Darko move, but Dumars felt that he had the weapons and the future to take a bold risk. I suggest that the Knicks are not in a position to take big, long term risks if they are true to their mission to get one of the big boys into town.)

    Comment by igmknicks | May 25, 2009 | Reply

  17. Don’t think that I have concluded that Ty Lawson should be the choice. He is simply high on my list, but I am extremely concerned about his ability to defend his position against the best point guards who are taller and stronger.

    At 5’11”, 195 lbs can he defend the likes of the following?

    Chris Paul 6’1″ 178 lbs
    Rajon Rondo 6’1″ 171 lbs
    Chauncey Billups 6’3″ 202 lbs
    Deron Williams 6’3″ 202 lbs
    Tony Parker 6’2″ 177 lbs
    Derrick Rose 6’3″ 190 lbs
    Mo Williams 6’1″ 189 lbs
    Jason Terry 6’2″ 180 lbs
    Russell Westbrook 6’3″ 187 lbs

    Comment by igmknicks | May 25, 2009 | Reply

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