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And With The Eighth Pick, the New York Knicks Select . . . .


Vodpod videos no longer available. Next week the 2009 NBA draft will finally be here. The buildup has been intense and tense. At the draft Donnie Walsh and the Knicks will finally make decisions which may change the fortunes of the organization for years to come.  They dare not blow it, as hard as that would be from the 8th spot this year.

Although, some suggest the draft is not as strong as past drafts, it has proven to be one filled with potential and possibilities.  First, thanks to IGM for educating us on some of the fine points of the point guards. The series was very useful and I understand you may have additional posts on Ricky Rubio and Gerald Henderson. This group of points is very competitive and may provide much drama for the NBA as this becomes a bit more of a guard-oriented league.

But the Knicks options extend beyond finding a guard in the draft to run the D’Antoni offense. It may include a shooting guard such as Jordan Hill or a big such as James Harden. The Knicks may find their leader ready-made in free agency.

At this point the rumors are coming fast, furious and plentiful.  Some of them have a kernel of truth and others are smoke screens by general managers to disguise potential moves and sorta-secret desires.  The only certainty is that Blake Griffin will be drafted by the Clippers.  After that, it’s anyone’s guess. And we’re all guessing.

The selection process became even more complex with the terrific showing in workouts of guards such as Stephen Curry, Brandon Jennings, Jonny Flynn. And the potential of players such as Tyreke Evans, Ty Lawson, Ricky Rubio, Jeff Teague, Jru Holiday and DeMar Rozan have team executives tossing in their sleep and biting their nails.  No one knows who will be going where, so the GMs must be prepared for almost anything.  They will have their “favored player” list and their “best player on the board” list.  The choices will be tougher as the first round progresses.

At 8, the Knicks seem to have enough choices that they do not need to make any player expenditures to move up in the draft.  However, without making a move forward before their selection, the Knicks are not likely to get their preferred players which seem to be, according to MSM reports, Stephen Curry, Jrue Holiday, Brandon Jennings and Jordan Hill.  Still, even if those players are available. Ricky Rubio, a media darling, may fall to eight and make the Knicks choice that much more difficult (or easy).  I guess it depends on how you look at it. But do they take the Euro-star who enters the draft without working out against his major American competition? Do you dare take that gamble? Why not?

So, how do you look at it?  We have provided you, below, with five different scenarios that could arise by the time the Knicks pick at the 8th spot (assuming they do not trade up).  We want you to tell us who you think the Knicks should pick in each circumstance and if you can defend your choice, tell us why in the comment section after you take the polls?    What is the right pick for the Knicks, if as in scenario five, the unlikely occurs: Stephen Curry, Ricky Rubio and Brandon Jennings are available? Who do we cheer for when the Knicks make that pick? Who do we boo?

You’re on the clock, but first a little inspiration — it can be good again.  Good luck.

The Ultimate Knicks Moment in the NBA Draft

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1. Clippers        Blake Griffin

2. Grizzlies       James Harden

3.  Thunder     Hasheem Thabeet

4. Kings            Ricky Rubio

5. Wizards       Stephen Curry

6. Timberwolves   Tyreke Evans

7. Warriors    Jordan Hill

Mock Draft Scenario #2

1. Clippers       Blake Griffin

2. Grizzlies      Hasheem Thabett

3. Thunder     Ricky Rubio

4. Kings          Jrue Holiday

5. Wizards    James Harden

6. Wolves     Tyreke Evans

7. Warriors  Johnny Flynn

Mock Draft Scenario #3

1. Clippers       Blake Griffin

2. Grizzlies      Jordan Hill

3. Thunder     James Harden

4. Kings          Jrue Holiday

5. Wizards    Brandon Jennings

6. Wolves     DeMar Derozan

7. Warriors  Jonny Flynn

Mock Draft Scenario #4

1. Clippers       Blake Griffin

2. Grizzlies      Stephen Curry

3. Thunder     James Harden

4. Kings          Jrue Holiday

5. Wizards    Hasheem Thabeet

6. Wolves     DeMar Derozan

7. Warriors  Ricky Rubio

Mock Draft Scenario #5

1. Clippers       Blake Griffin

2. Grizzlies      James Harden

3. Thunder     Hasheem Thabeet

4. Kings          Jordan Hill

5. Wizards    Jrue Holiday

6. Wolves     Jeff Teague

7. Warriors  Jonny Flynn


Related Previous Posts:

Fanatics Pre-draft Scouting Report: Jrue Holiday

Is Brandon Jennings Playing Media (and Us) With Rubio Diss?

Fanatics Pre-draft Scouting Report Eric Maynor

Fanatics Pre-draft Scouting Report Brandon Jennings

Fanatics Pre-draft Scouting Report Demar Derozan

Fanatics Pre-draft Scouting Report Series Stephen Curry

Fanatics Pre-draft Scouting Report: Tywon Lawson

Fanatics Pre-draft Scouting Report: Jonny Flynn

June 18, 2009 - Posted by | Brandon Jennings, Donnie Walsh, Jrue Holiday, NBA Draft, NBA Lottery, Rick Rubio, Ty Lawson | , , , , , ,


  1. Nice Shiny new post Lives.

    Also like the lil bit about Kobe celebrating and hogin it up over his fellow MVP Puppet Lebron.




    What are your thoughts on Bill Lambier’s recent departure from his WNBA coaching gig with the Detroit Spark?

    Word was that Lambier left that gig to pursue his desire to eventually coach in the NBA.

    I think he would have to go through the assistant rounds first before he eventually moves up to a head coaching gig. Then again there are teams that might take a flier on him and his 3 Chips with the Spark, and the Championship pedigree he developed with the Pistons as one of there inside bounders and enforcers.

    I’d like to see the Knicks take a chance on Bill Lambier and sign him on as a defensive specialist coach for the team. It would be a good sign or a gesture to Knicks Fandom that the organization has a commitment to improving the defensive side of the ball and overall toughness from a coach like Lambier.

    What are your thoughts on this IGM?

    What do the rest of the Fanatics think about Lambier signing on with the Knicks as an assistant to [ ]‘Antoni?

    Comment by orangeandblue1 | June 18, 2009 | Reply

    • O&B, perhaps Laimbeer is already prepared to coach an NBA team. He certainly has more experience than Mark Jackson who recently hired an agent to sift through (or create) opportunities for him.

      I think Laimbeer would make an excellent coach. I don’t think he would do well as a number 2 under D’Antoni.

      Laimbeer’s buddy, Isiah Thomas, has been identified as a drafting genius by ESPN’s D.R.A.F.T. (Data Related Analysis For Truth) Initiative. I have not read the article as it is only available to ESPN insiders. When it is available, I will post it.

      Comment by igmknicks | June 19, 2009 | Reply

  2. July 20-24th, 2009 – 5th Annual Chris Duhon Basketball Camp Designed for boys and girls ages 7-15. The camp will focus on fundamentals of basketball such as dribbling, shooting, passing, footwork, defense, etc. Cost is $150 per camper, which includes lunch.

    Registration forms are attached for your convenience or you can register online by visiting,

    See you in July!

    Chris Duhon’s Stand Tall Foundation

    * email:
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    Comment by livesinnewjersey | June 19, 2009 | Reply

  3. NEW YORK (AP) — The NBA will play its first game in Taiwan this fall.

    The league said Friday the Denver Nuggets will face the Indiana Pacers on Oct. 8 in an exhibition game at Taipei Arena.

    Taipei will be the seventh Asian city to host an NBA game. The others are Beijing, Guangzhou, Macao, Shanghai, Tokyo and Yokohama.

    The NBA will hold community events while in Taipei. The league opened its office in the city in 1997.

    North Korea is next,Nothing But Assets, Amazing…

    Comment by Tman | June 19, 2009 | Reply

  4. July 21-25 Dave Lee’s first annual Defense Basketball Camp. The camp will focus on fundamentals of defensive basketball such as shot blocking, keeping your man out of the EZ pass lane, imposing your defensive will on the opponet, like Dave Lee himself. Cost is $175.00 per camper and proceeds
    will be donated to the get fit like Eddy Curry foundation.
    Contact for further i8nfo.

    Comment by Peaceman | June 19, 2009 | Reply

  5. ROFLMAO @ Peaceman!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    The age global NBA expansion is upon us all.

    Sweatshops meet sweetshots and hookshots at NBA China

    Were disregard for Human Rights,… happens!

    Comment by orangeandblue1 | June 19, 2009 | Reply

  6. Is it me or do the poll results in which Rubio and Curry end up getting nabbed reflect an influx of fanboy IQs.

    I’m ok with it. Put damn defend your position and don’t just take a random poll.

    Step up to the plate!

    OBTW Peaceman,

    Check out ESPN’s Draft Page,… there is a video clip about how Curry may very well be a more limited player in the NBA. It was prepared by a Reporter last name Gottlieb.

    I agree with his analysis but still hope you are right that he is Mark Price II instead of J.J. Reddick Light.

    Comment by orangeandblue1 | June 19, 2009 | Reply

  7. Very funny, Peaceman.

    Comment by igmknicks | June 19, 2009 | Reply

  8. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA @ Peaceman @ Comment 4.

    Not a bad poll response for a little Indyblog. I am aiming for 20 votes so that I can claim that this is a scientific poll with an error margin of+ or – 3. Few are explaining their reasoning though.

    So Far it seems that

    Jennings and Hill are tied
    Curry beats Jennings
    Holiday beats Jennings
    Rubio beats Curry


    The poll seems to assume that both Holiday and Curry will not be available at 8.

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | June 20, 2009 | Reply

  9. Hey thanks for the comments. I think Rubio is all hype and will end up being any player with a potential in the NBA. Jennings is an interesting pick I think. The Knicks obviously need a guard and Curry is the favorite but can he really play the point. We all know he can score but do you need another score first point?

    Anyway, would love to link your blog if you do the same on your blog.

    Comment by richyrich006 | June 20, 2009 | Reply

    • richyrich006, thanks for dropping by. Is “The Best Damn Sports Comedy” Blog your blog? I did not see your name associated with the blog. Please let me know and we will include it in our Blogroll.

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | June 20, 2009 | Reply

  10. Hoop Doctor’s final mock draft

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | June 20, 2009 | Reply

  11. Lakers on Kimmel Show

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | June 20, 2009 | Reply

  12. I note that Mock Scenario (Poll 3) has Thabeet there at 8 along with along with Rubio and Curry (a very unlikely scenario); yet most voters went for Rubio. I believe Walsh, given what he said in the past, would take Tahabeet in less than a N.Y. minute.

    As I have said previously, I would prefer Curry over Rubio and but I believe Curry will be off the board along with Evans and Harden. Walsh will have to decide if he wants Rubio over Jennings or other talented but untested players. I believe the Knicks will opt for Rubio whose point guard skills (if not shooting) are more developed than the remaining guards. If both Curry and Rubio are there at 8, Walsh will have dilemma–the shooter with a potential for point guard play vs. the point guard with potential to improve his shooting. I think Walsh will not pass on Rubio.

    Comment by Post-up Prince | June 20, 2009 | Reply

  13. Post-Up Prince & i are in lockstep on this issue, i think Walsh won’t pay much to move up to get Rubio….but he won’t blink if it’s a choice between Rubio and the other points.

    Interesting PG round up from yesterday in Minny from a TrueHoop reader, check it out….

    “Minnesota’s Massive Point Guard Workout

    June 19, 2009 5:13 PM

    One of the defining aspects of this draft is that there are a ton of point guards — heading into a league that is hungry for good point guards. The Wolves held one of the most important group workouts of draft season today, featuring the vast majority of the top prospects. It was closed, but TrueHoop reader Michael Stephenson — a season ticket holder — was among those invited to watch. He wrote up the following report, and sent it over with his blessing to publish it on TrueHoop:

    The group was Jonny Flynn, Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, Jrue Holiday, Tyreke Evans and Jeff Teague out of Wake Forest. I was most looking forward to seeing Jennings as I’ve been following him closely (on TrueHoop, among others) and was eager to measure his progress in person.

    The first half of the morning was spent on drills — dribble to this spot, crossover and take a jumper, that type of stuff. Flynn and Lawson proved the most fundamentally sound and were comfortable taking direction from the coaching staff. Nobody looked great initially but it was early and they weren’t really being tested.

    Things got exponentially more interesting in the one-on-one competition (taking turns playing D, staying on if you scored, etc). It was here that Evans established himself as the class of the group. Probably somewhat unfair to pit him against smaller, true point guards as he had at least three inches and twenty pounds on everyone, but I suppose those guys are going to have to get used to that type of matchup at the next level.

    Anyway, Tyreke was dominant.

    Refusing to simply muscle his way to the hoop (which he did handily a few times), he scored in a half a dozen different ways. Pull-ups on the wing, runners, balanced fade-aways, and a particularly spectacular jab-step and crossover that sent Flynn (without question the best defender of the group) reeling. His jumper needs work but I wouldn’t call it a weakness, and he’ll definitely hit enough to force defenders to respect it.

    Lawson and Flynn played about how I expected them to. Controlled the ball well, took high percentage shots and occasionally switched gears to get to the rim. Both appear ready to play significant minutes in the league, but I’m not sure I can see either developing into a star. If forced to choose today I’d take Flynn based on his defense and freakish athleticism (40-inch vertical, as measured at the combine).

    Holiday was the most dissapointing player of the group, by far. He played with low energy, struggled during a lot of the offensive drills and generally appeared unhappy and out of place. I know he’s got some talent but I can’t figure out why he was ever mentioned in the top five of so many mock drafts. Maybe he was just tired, it is a Friday.

    Teague had the purest stroke and hit his jumper most consistently in the drills and during the scrimmage (which I’ll get to in a moment). But it was obvious that he’s a level behind and had trouble keeping up with his peers. In an extremely guard heavy draft, I imagine it’s going to be tough for him to turn many heads.

    As I mentioned, I went into the day hoping to see brilliance from Brandon Jennings and instead witnessed the type of raw, inconsistent play that many scouts and coaches have been ranting about. First off, the rumors about his foot speed are true. He was easily a full step (maybe half-step over Flynn …) quicker than anyone in the gym. I’d love to hand him and Derrick Rose each a ball and watch them race up and down the court all day.

    The drills were not kind to young Jennings. He missed a lot of shots and drew scorn from the assistant coaches when he repeatedly ignored direction — often choosing to make the move he wanted to make as opposed to the one they were asking to see. In one-on-one he improved a bit but was continually over-powered by Lawson and Flynn (Brandon is listed under 170lbs, and his lack of strength was obvious) and gambled far too frequently on defense.

    I was nearly ready to write him off and admit that perhaps his critics had him pegged, a year or two at Arizona would’ve done him some good … and then they started scrimmaging. Three on three — more or less a twenty-minute fast break with those guys.

    Suddenly Jennings remembered who he was and started moving with the type of swagger that I’d read about. On the first possession of the scrimmage he cleanly picked off a pass and beat Flynn in a footrace for an emphatic two-hander. A few possessions later he took an outlet from Holiday and sprinted down the left side. After beating Lawson with a stutter step, he picked up the ball and put it behind his back to avoid Evans’ help defense. Then he flicked a no-look over his shoulder to Jrue for the easy dunk.

    Onlookers collectively gasped.

    Two of the next four possessions ended with Jennings freezing his man and hitting 18-footers.

    I’m not comfortable saying Jennings should be the player Minnesota takes sixth, especially if Evans is available (I’m seriously impressed). But I can’t think of a player in the draft with more upside than Brandon Jennings.”

    Comment by Paul | June 20, 2009 | Reply

  14. Great post Paul!!!

    But tell me guys, what about this picture doesn’t seem right?


    Upside is the viewers projection of a player’s best case scenario relative to his present skill set or level.


    Is Jennings the next Allen Iverson, a youngster with swagger and a maverick attitude which is not easily pliable by coaching? Is he the kind of guy that gets up for real competition and doesn’t think much of practice or drills? Is he good enough to get away with that type of approach to the game?

    “Front Side.”

    This is what we actually see today. The unvarnished reality of Brandon Jennings, which makes too good an argument for his “downside.”

    In order to lead, one must be able to follow. True leaders are servants to a cause or group of people.

    The best basketball champions/leaders had extraoridnary relationships with their superiors. Bill Russell to Red Auerbach; Clyde Frazier to Red Holzman; Magic Johnson to Pat Riley; Phil Jackson to Michael Jordan; Tim Duncan to Greg Popovich; and finally Kobe Bryant to Phil Jackson.

    It took years, but Kobe learned to be a leader and not to be self-serving. Like Brandon, he started young.

    Jennings is one helluva gamble for that first contract. He’s got New York written all over him, but he is not ready for prime time nor Time Square. If I am playing with house money, I might take the chance but otherwise I would find as many reasons as possible just to pick one of the other fine, more emotionally ready, prospects to run my team for the next three years.

    Then I would consider spending some money on BJ when he hits free agency.

    Thanks Paul.

    Comment by igmknicks | June 20, 2009 | Reply

  15. Yep that’s my blog. Don’t know why it doesn’t display it in these comments.

    Comment by richyrich006 | June 20, 2009 | Reply

  16. Paul: Solid, informative post, especially on Jennings. I am with IGM on leaving Jennings on the board. Character matters.

    Comment by Post-up Prince | June 21, 2009 | Reply

  17. Prop Joe says not to think on the short con when you should be thinking long. Zeke was thinking long, but five years was long enough for the fans but not long enough for him to turn things around, so he’s out.

    Waldotoni won’t get five years, in fact they didn’t get five weeks around these parts. Therefore, i think investing in the high “ceiling” as IGM points out is a poor play here in the Mecca. We need quick results, now.

    Therefore, my vote is for Thabeet, Hill, Tyreke & Curry in that order. Hill worries me but is clearly the best mobile big in this class after Blake, and i think Tyreke can fill a role as a backcourt defender which the Knicks sorely need (i am SOOOOOO tired of watching Nate pop under screens and give up uncontested jumpers to NBA-caliber guards, who largely bury that shot).

    Curry at least fills a defined role, and i think with Curry & Stallion on the floor we will have better spacing. Put lard-ass Curry on that unit, and we may wring some post points or at least some open jumpers out of even the stingiest of defenses. Thrill Will may not like playing with that unit though, as it will curtail his dribble/pull-up jumper motif and force him into being more of a Bowen-type defensive specialist.

    IGM, i think both BJ’s (Jennings & Mullens) are 3 years away from being bonafide NBA players, kinda like Gallo. Let someone else pay the developmental cost…..

    And whoever threw out the name Jamario Moon – i LOVE his game and think he would be an ideal pick as the glue guy.

    Heat are talking carrying only 13 players this season, as with 13 contracts they’d be a scant $400K beneath the luxury tax line. If they throw Moon away after the O’Neal trade then they are necking futz!

    Comment by Paul | June 21, 2009 | Reply

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