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My How Time Flies: Knicks in the Summer of '08

The Knicks announced their summer league team which will include both draft choices, Toney Douglas and Jordan Hill.  The Knicks also invited Patrick Ewing, Jr. back.  Ewing will be returning from a knee injury he suffered in March while in the D-League.  The team also includes Utah’s Morris Almond (a Peaceman favorite) who was considered by the Knicks in the 2007 draft before they picked Wilson Chandler.

The Knicks will also continue to look at free agents Joe Crawford (SG) and Mouhamed Sene (C) who were signed at the end of the season.  Conspicuously missing is Eddie Curry who has been working out and was mentioned at the end of last season as a possible roster addition.  As expected, the Knicks will also be without Danilo Gallinari. I wonder whether he will show up for the practices.

Although, summer league icon, Nate Robinson, will not be playing, the Knicks’ games will draw special attention because UNLV guard Wink Adams will be playing for the Knicks. Adams, a 4 year college player, is a 6’1”, 190 lbs shooting guard who averaged 14.3 pts and 2.8 assists per game last season which was not considered to be a good one for him.


No  Player     Pos   Ht   Wt      Born          College/Country     2008-09 Team             Yrs Pro

3 Wink Adams G 6-0  200  Mar. 9, 1985 Nevada-Las Vegas   Nevada-Las Vegas (NCAA)     R
13 Alex Acker G 6-5 185 Jan. 21, 1983 Pepperdine Detroit/L.A.Clippers (NBA) 2
11 Blake Ahearn G 6-2 190 May 27, 1984 Missouri State San Antonio (NBA) 2
30 Morris Almond G 6-6 225 Feb. 2, 1985 Rice Utah (NBA) 2
44 Warren Carter F 6-9 220 Apr. 23, 1985 Illinois Cajasol (Spain) R
5 Joe Crawford G 6-5 210 Jun. 17, 1986 Kentucky New York (NBA) 1
23 Toney Douglas G 6-1 200 Mar. 16, 1986 Florida State Florida State (NCAA) R
6 Patrick Ewing, Jr. F 6-8 240 May 20, 1984 Georgetown Reno (D-League) R
43 Jordan Hill F 6-10 235 Jul. 27, 1987 Arizona Arizona (NCAA) R
17 Ron Howard G 6-5 200 Nov. 14, 1982 Valparaiso Fort Wayne (D-League) R
47 Yaroslav Korolev F 6-10 245 May 7, 1987 Moscow, Russia Dynamo Moscow (Russia) 2
40 David Noel F 6-6 230 Feb. 27, 1984 North Carolina Reno (D-League) 1
18 Mouhamed Sene C 6-11 230 May 12, 1986 Senegal New York (NBA) 3
50 Rashaad Singleton C 7-0 270 May 22, 1987 Florida Southern Georgia (NCAA) R
55 Nikoloz Tskitishvili F 7-0 225 Apr. 13, 1983 Georgia (Europe) Fuenlabrada (ACB-Spain) 4

Head Coach: Mike D’Antoni (Marshall)
Summer League Head Coach/Assistant Coach: Phil Weber (North Carolina State)
Assistant Coaches: Herb Williams (Ohio State)
Dan D’Antoni (Marshall)
Kenny Atkinson (Richmond)
Assistant Coach/Player Development: Greg Brittenham (Nebraska at Kearney)
Head Athletic Trainer: Roger Hinds (Brooklyn College)
Assistant Athletic Trainer: Anthony Goenaga (Long Island University)

As revealed in an earlier post, the Knicks play three lottery teams, but since Washington surrendered the #5 spot to Minnie, the Knicks will face only two lottery picks during summer league competition: Hasheem Thabeet (Memphis) and Tyreke Evans (Sacto).


Games at Cox Pavilion
Tuesday, July 14 vs. Memphis 3:00 p.m.
Wednesday, July 15 vs. Detroit 1:00 p.m.
Friday, July 17 vs. Sacramento 3:00 p.m.
Saturday, July 18 vs. Chicago 3:00 p.m.
Sunday, July 19 vs. Washington 1:00 p.m.

* – all times are Pacific time zone

Unfortunately, the Knicks will not play the Minnesota squad.  The Timberwolves’ roster does not include their #5 pick, Rick Rubio.  However, it does include their #6 pick, Jonny Flynn and the Bobcats #12 pick, guard Gerald Henderson.  The Bobcats don’t have a summer league team this year.

The Timberwolves’ full roster is as follows:


No. Player Pos. Ht. Wt. Birthdate From NBA Exp.
22 Corey Brewer F 6-9 188 3/5/86 Florida 2
1 Bobby Brown G 6-2 175 9/24/84 Cal State Fullerton 1
23 Pat Carroll G/F 6-5 190 9/10/82 St. Joseph’s R
19 Wayne Ellington G 6-4 200 11/29/87 North Carolina R
11 Jonny Flynn G 6-0 185 2/6/89 Syracuse R
17 Devin Green G 6-7 212 10/25/82 Hampton 1
12 Paul Harris G/F 6-4 230 10/15/86 Syracuse R
15 Gerald Henderson G 6-4 215 12/7/87 Duke R
51 Steven Hill C 7-0 248 11/14/85 Arkansas 1
31 Rob Kurz F 6-9 232 3/5/85 Notre Dame 1
4 Oleksiy Pecherov F 7-0 234 12/8/85 Ukraine 2
20 Garrett Siler C 6-11 305 10/25/86 Augusta State R
7 Ben Woodside G 5-11 185 7/1/85 North Dakota State R



Knicks are set to offer Jason Kidd a multi-year contract but face stiff competition from Dallas Mavericks who can offer more money. . . . Did you ever think two of the 2008-09 Knicks starters would be traded for each other? . . . Quentin Richardson, who was just traded by the Knicks to Memphis for Darko, was traded to the Clippers in exchange for Zach Randolph.  Good move for both teams.  Check out Post-Up Prince’s comments in the previous post. I like his analysis of how Zach fits, but while Zach was relatively good in New York (‘cept for tossin’ the towel in N8Gr8’s grill), Zach was suspended from the Clippers twice in part of one season. Maybe he was just acting out because he had to rent housing from Donald Sterling. . . Joe Dumars made a great move in signing Charlie Villanueva and Ben Gordon from free agency.  Now they need a coach and they leave us curious about the future of Rip Hamilton. The rumors suggest that Doug Collins is first in line.  I’m betting on Avery Johnson.  Sorry Fanatics, but Detroit still has a better team executive than we do. . . . What else do you expect Marbury to say about the Knicks.  They screwed him about as much as he screwed them.  Plus he’s right, why would prime free agents want to come to an environment which is understood to be toxic and treats its players the way he was treated.  Character is revealed in how you treat others in the most difficult of times.

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Knicks Pick Up Jordan Hill at 8, Toney Douglas at 29 and Milicic at the Q

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Fanatics Pre-Draft Scouting Report: Jonny Flynn

Fanatics Pre-Draft Scouting Report: Tyreke Evans

Fanatics Pre-Draft Scouting Report: Ricky Rubio

July 2, 2009 - Posted by | Danilo Gallinari, Eddie Curry, Jonny Flynn, Jordan Hill, NBA Draft, NBA Summer League, Patrick Ewing, Jr., Quentin Richardson, Rick Rubio, Toney Douglas, Zach Randolph


  1. Hey Peaceman,

    Ron Artest is going to the Lakers. Once again the Knicks are snubbed by your boy. (LOL)

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | July 2, 2009 | Reply

  2. Fanatics,

    Isn’t painful to watch all the good free agents sign all over the place,and we are told to WAIT till 2010 for a HOPE.

    Comment by DLTKnicks | July 2, 2009 | Reply

    • Well DLT

      Doesn’t that go to show that a team with no prospects of winning, currently, will not be able to sign good players in their prime for what in effect is money at or slightly above the MLE.

      Sure those players will make the sacrifice in their wallets for a team that can offer them a prospects at a championship appearance,… but for a team whose day dreaming is still so far off- 2010- that sacrifice won’t be easily made.

      Comment by orangeandblue1 | July 3, 2009 | Reply

  3. DLT,

    one way to look at it is that we are witnessing a new level of managerial incompetence. In two years, Walsh’s list of failures is starting to grow:

    1. Paying too much for Duhon, a back-up not fit to run
    2. Drafting the coach’s European nephew knowing he has a back injury and when you really needed a guard
    3. Trading your starting shooting guard for another unwanted gunner (Harrington) who turns into a back-up
    4. Trading for a guard with a known heart problem and using him and the CAP as an excuse to run your one point into the ground.
    5. Refusing to release the other point in an effort to regain a few hundred thousand dollars while ruining your other point guard investment b/c a spot is unfilled
    6. Trading for another unwanted shooting guard sitting on the Bulls back bench.
    7. After running your point (Duhon) into the ground, pretend that he was the right guard but that he was so badly damaged that he could not recover over the summer; therefore you look for an over the hill point to replace him.
    8. You look for an over the hill point because you weren’t savvy enough to get into a position to draft a quality point guard to run the team.

    Now you watch other teams fortify their positions as powerhouses:

    Artest replaces Ariza making the current Champions tougher and more versatile. Now Odom can disappear all he wants.

    Shaq (and somebody else soon) join LeBron to at least guarantee that the Cavs will hardly ever double down on defense again for the next year at least.

    . . . .

    Or you can look at it and say

    The standard has been set for the Knicks’ efforts in 2010. With all the money they are supposed to have and that New York cache, they should be able to do better than Dumars who just pulled in Gordon and Villanueva in one stroke.

    Perhaps, patience will prove that what looks like incompetence is really a skilled way to put a product on the floor until the goods we really want are on the market.

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | July 2, 2009 | Reply

    • Lives,

      Those are the facts as you pointed out.What’s a Knicks’ fan to do? I guess we should be happy that we MAY overpaid a 37 point guard or that we signed Morris Almond to the summer league………baby steps.Walsh gave himself a 2 year pass with that 2010 thing.

      Comment by DLTKnicks | July 3, 2009 | Reply

      • Walsh sweet talked himself into an easy pass on constructive criticism or critical analysis from the MSM up untill 2010.

        But if Donnie can’t make 2010 something worth waiting for then his old arse might as well walk the plank!

        Comment by orangeandblue1 | July 3, 2009

  4. Lives:

    The failure list seems substantively larger than the 2010 fantasy-future which is still contingent upon moving fat Eddy’s contract as well as J. Jeffries contract. The failure list also includes getting nothing or next to nothing for Zach; nothing for Balkman; and likely nothing or at best over-the-hill back court role players (J Kidd & G Hill) in this year’s free agency.

    If they are serious about Grant Hill, then they are likely planning to move N8. Hill would be a steady experienced backup, but will not bring the same energy off the bench, or generate as many steals or nearly as much fan enthusiasm as N8 creates. I like Kidd as a tutor for a young talented point guard, but who will that be?

    DLT’s skepticism and frustration seems justified. If you had a stock broker who offered you 2 years of a badly losing portfolio for a “potential” blue chip gold bonanza in the 3rd year, would you sign up?

    Comment by Post-up Prince | July 3, 2009 | Reply

    • Post up Prince,

      Yes, you can read the skepticism in my words.I don’t like Kidd or Hill.They are names only and will not help us on the court.Hire those guys as assistant coaches if anything.Don’t put them on the “valuable” 2010 cap that we been sold on to wait for……That PG from the Bucks, Sessions, is good.Or use N8 and/or Lee in a sign-in-trade to get some talent.One blogger sugested that we move Curry/Mobiley for T-MAC,which is good for 2010 and good for winning now if the real T-MAC shows up.And Houston needs a big man now.There are moves Walsh could make now to get this team winning now……..DO IT!!!!!!

      Comment by DLTKnicks | July 3, 2009 | Reply

      • With the Mavericks having made a stronger bid to acquire the free agent services of the Polish Bludgeon Marcin Gortat, it does now seem that the Rockets have even less bargaining power in discussing a trade with the Knicks involving Eddy Curry.

        The problem right now is that a good GM will still harp on how Curry dissapeared for over a two year period.

        Like the [ ]’antoni system upped Z-Bo’s value to make his trade more bearable to another team, the Knicks will have to feature Eddy to some extent in order to up his production and facilitate his exit,… hopefully to the Center starved Houston Rockets!

        Comment by orangeandblue1 | July 3, 2009

  5. Fanatics,

    Donnie has a plan. Remember they booed in the 80s when he drafted Chuck Person & Reggie Miller, (also Vontego Cummings & others in 21st century). They booed when he made the trade for Dunleavy, Murphy and gave up Steph Jackson & Harrington. While others are making small repairs, we are gutting the house. Donnie & Knicks management believes the 3-keys are LOCATION, LOCATION & LOCATION.

    Peace & Blessings, w/ a happy 4th

    Comment by Statesman2 | July 3, 2009 | Reply

  6. DLT:

    We are certainly on the same page regarding Sessions. Having great speed and ability to penetrate, score or dish off, Ramon Sessions at 22 has the best upside of all point guards available. Bucks, unfortunately, will likely offer Sessions more than the MLE exception Walsh can put up. At this point the only MLE exception has been offered to Kidd. If Knicks are to get Sessions, they would have to work out a trade after the free agency period.

    Unless Walsh has something else in the works, the free agency period will pass and no move made to substantively improve the team. As I understand it, Monday, July 6th and Tuesday, July 7th will be the last two days to make offers to restricted free agents. On July 8th, restricted free agents must state their intention to sign or reject one of the offers made. Teams will then have the remainder of July to either match and keep or match and trade. If anyone has more knowledge about the free agency process, I would welcome a more informed post.

    Walsh’s patience is legendary, but Knick fans need to see a competitive team now, one that has a chance to win games, and gain experience in the playoffs. Walsh has some options and chips to play, he needs to use them now or another dismal season awaits us.

    Comment by Post-up Prince | July 3, 2009 | Reply

    • Is there anyone that you think the Bucks would be interested in in a Sign and Trade scenario for the Knicks to acquire Ramon Sessions?

      I’m not thrilled with these stories about multi year deals being offered to over the HIll, Hill. I might conceive of a multi year deal in for Kidd as making sense if his point guard play in the [ ]’antoni system can result in bolstering the trade value of Jefferies and Curry.

      My theory on why the Knicks haven’t even glanced at Sessions is b/c Walsh will not pursue the best player available… He’ll pursue the best player fit for the [ ]’antoni system regardless of upside and proven play,… as in the Ramon Sessions situation.

      Fng Knicks!

      Comment by orangeandblue1 | July 3, 2009 | Reply

  7. O & B:

    Walsh would probably need a third team to make a trade fpr Sessions work. I don’t think, however, he wants to spend the energy looking. All energy is being spent on finding a way to unload salary and create more cap space for the 2010 fantasy team. If Walsh could arrange it, all of the 2009 players would be earning the league minimum.

    Comment by Post-up Prince | July 4, 2009 | Reply

  8. ok im sick and tired of hearing 2010 is the yr for knicks who are we getting tht its going to be our year umm wade noooo lebron yea in our dreams bosh unlikely ok i say we sign nate and leee keep duhan bc admit it he was good but needs min reduced bc 44 min a game hell sck the second half again. and we nned to make a trade if possible for stephen currt we need a true scorer on the team besides nate even though i love nate he cnt do it alone and think of this starting lineup at point duhan at guard wilson at forward harrington or gallinari at forward hiil and at center lee and of the bench nate douglas and lets see how larry hughes wiill do this year if he doesnt give us great number try to trade him for a couple of draft picks or something crapy we got rid of jerome james who played in 6 games for us so y noy larry and we ned draft picks for this yr bc we nned to get talent any other ideas post them plz KNICKS WILL BE BACK EVENTUALLY!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by unknown | July 7, 2009 | Reply

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