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As I watched the television, stunned and moved at the elegance of the Michael

Jackson memorial in Los Angeles, I, like millions around the world, was struck with an inexplicable sadness. After days of Jacko overload, I took solace in hearing about the Michael Jackson I grew to know for five decades.  I needed to hear Brooke Shields publicly recount her friendship with Michael which at the time the press portrayed as bizarre piling more freakish imagery upon both former child stars.  I needed to hear Barry Gordy reaffirm my connection to the young Michael who made the little girls  scream and run around our classroom looking for the closest thing to Jermaine and Michael they could get.  I needed to hear Stevie talk about how much he loved Michael. And I needed to hear Magic Johnson remind me how important Michael’s excellence was to our own efforts to perform whatever task was our calling to the best of our abilities.

Al Sharpton started to put Michael’s role in our lives into the historical context it will eventually fall.  Within the framework of this era, Michael was more complex than strange and probably more troubled than dangerous.  But he brought to the table a magnificent energy and a light which most of us cannot find within ourselves even with the most “normal” of lives.  As one fan put it, MJ was extra-human, not superhuman.  The fact remained that he was human.  In his music, dance and film artistry Michael clearly wanted to force his human frailty to submit to the will of a higher power and to express that energy in pure love. It is the image of Ghandi, Dr. Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela, among others, he grew up with. In the confusion and anger of the 60’s, it was the major message which would guide ideals of equality of justice.  “Love,” agape Love was at its base.

I have never met Michael.  I have never touched Michael, but he has certainly touched me from the first time I begged my sister to braid my hair at night so that I could have a big fro like The Jackson’s in the morning to the multitude of times I spent alone contemplating life to the background sounds of “Man In The Mirror,” “You Are Not Alone,” or “I Am Love.”  Or the many great parties where Michael’s soundtrack had us dancing into the late night, a respite from the daily grind of study or work.

I want to write a better piece; something more fitting of Mr. Jackson in that it should help those who don’t get it, but want to, to understand exactly what his life and death mean to his legion of followers, fans and listeners.  But for this space and this moment, I will share that as a black boy, the eldest of 8 children, growing up in the Midwest, not too far from where Pre-Gloved-One lived, the Jacksons set a standard for many, including large families.  Large families, a vestige of agrarian society, was still common in the Midwest back then.  How our parents did it, I still have no idea. But what I do understand is that as the Jacksons succeeded and Randy and Janet and Rebbie joined the spotlight, they showed us that success was attainable and that participation in the whole of society, not just a segregated spot in the world, was possible.  Equally as important they showed us that people, including families could work together.

Finally, where I was blessed to grow up, music and sport were intertwined whether we had the radio on the concrete sidelines or not. If you were a baller (not necessarily a good one), you always had a ball (football, softball, basketball) in your hands. And sometimes, usually against parental rules, you played with the ball to the blasted sounds of the Jacksons, James Brown and Parliament Funkadelic. The Jacksons and Michael in particular were an integral part of helping us establish a style and a rhythm to how we played the game. It is hard to explain but Magic was absolutely truthful about how Michael impacted his game, although it was always rumored that Michael could not play a lick.  Still, as kids, our connection to the Jacksons was complete when we knew they would all come together to form a team as pictured above.

I don’t remember whether they actually played anyone.  I vaguely remember rumors that they were supposed to play the Sylvers (a short lived popular family group) and the Osmonds. It probably never happened, but it touched our imaginations, informed our vision of ourselves and further reminded us that they were a part of our family.

So it is with some sadness, but with great respect and gratitude for the body of work Michael Jackson has left us, that I refused to fight the tears that streamed down my face as I watched millions from all over the world celebrate my brother.

Peace and blessings,



July 8, 2009 - Posted by | Michael Jackson, Michael Jordan | , , , ,


  1. I just noticed that Michael Jackson would never make it on the Knicks current roster — he would be considered freakish because he is in a defensive stance against the other MJ. LOL.

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | July 8, 2009 | Reply

    • LMAO,… he’s attempting a stance that the Knicks hardly ever attempt!

      Comment by orangeandblue1 | July 8, 2009 | Reply

  2. ……No Lives,you are wrong.

    He is “pretending” to play defense(he knows he can’t guard Jordan)and thus he WILL fit into Antoni’s(without the D)system.LMAO!

    Gonna miss the dance moves and the old songs.That other stuff,I won’t miss.

    Comment by D L T Knicks | July 8, 2009 | Reply

    • Michael did put out a load of great hits. Yup the latter part of his life was very bizarre but I suppose as with any person context is the key to levity on perspective one way or another.

      Comment by orangeandblue1 | July 8, 2009 | Reply

  3. ‘Lives’,

    I feel you my brotha. Being from the Midwest, growing up with six siblings, and making several attempts to form a singing group that imitated or duplicated the J-5 as a youth, I also felt a sense of loss. Maybe it was recognizing a period of my life has also passed, or that I’ve been around long enough to view the 4-decades of Michael Jackson, but watching the memorial was not a good time for Statesman. However I do recognize that we all have a “limited physical existence” here on earth. If we bare good fruit, then “Absent the body Present with the Lord”.–II Corinthians 5:8.

    If Michael is treated similar to Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, John Lennon and others, then within a few years the “strange & weird” things will be disappear and the focus will be the music and the show.

    Peace & Blessings

    Comment by Statesman2 | July 8, 2009 | Reply

  4. I appreciate the responses Homies.

    DLT, I absolutely stand corrected. He is worthy of playing at playing D for our homeboys.


    I appreciate all of the responses fellas. I have no expectation that we all share the same perspective on MJ. As usual, I wanted to offer a perspective to perhaps spread a little understanding. But Statesman hit it on the head again. This is absolutely as much about us as it is Michael. And yes States, part of those tears were for myself, my family and the great memories that passed through all of those decades. His death was just another landmark in the progression of our time on this earth. It is always quite poignant to be forced to come to grips with our own mortality, but your great comment says it all.

    O&B, I do believe that context is extremely important and as weary as we have grown of Michael’s eccentricities, there are really many lessons about how we have changed as a society, both good and bad, encompassed in his life.

    For one, Michael’s life parallels the transformation of the tabloid press into legitimized sources of infotainment followed by the major presses acceptance of the lack of ethical and moral judgment of the tabloid press. All of the standards for defining and reporting news changed until the mass media started creating news and participating in the news as highlighted by the death of Princess Di or even the Fire Isiah campaign promoted by the Post.

    Michael both benefited and suffered from these developments. It was a symbiotic relationship perhaps as perverted as any relationship he is claimed to have had.

    I agree with States. The weirdness will disappear into the images of genius and the sounds of a living legacy. This is how it works in America. For some like Magic Johnson and Kobe Bryant, they are able to regain their fame while living. For others, like Babe Ruth (a gluttonous womanizing drunk), Mickey Mantle ( a drunk), Roger Clemens (an alleged adulterer a minor and steroid abuser), Van Gogh (self-mutilator) the weight of the contributions sinks the impact of their personal deficiencies which no longer impact us in death as much as their accomplishments.

    After the media extracts every ounce of news-rumor value from these circumstances, no one will really care about the unproven accusations of pedophilia and the gloved ones public admission that he (and many parents) allowed children to sleep in bed with him because as McCaulkin said, they were “playing.”

    One day no one will give a damn.

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | July 8, 2009 | Reply

    • America can thank the Euro Paparazzi for turning newsreporting into newsmaking in the process of sort of kinda of well in some way “reporting” news,… that the press itselfs manufacturers for the viewing audience.

      Keep them all entertained. (The Lampooning of Michael, Smearing of Zeke, etc etc).

      Keep em all misuinformed,… we all know how that goes.

      Keep them all toeing the party line,… Alan Hahn’s Knicks Koolaid Fix anyone?

      Comment by orangeandblue1 | July 8, 2009 | Reply

  5. States,

    The writer of that article seemed confused. Did he know what point he was trying to make.

    We all know that Indiana makes a conscious effort to obtain white players. So what? After all this is a business and if there are white players that can play, so what? But as you’re pointing out, if it is at the expense of winning, and that is the marketing playbook they are using in New York, Walsh will not be here much longer. (Good).

    As for Larry Bird, I don’t think anyone ever suggested Larry was racist in any way unless you consider his belief that the best players were black ones and that he considered himself as good as Magic, Michael and the others to be a racist comment. But he did not really mean it in a mean racial way. He treated black players he didn’t know like they weren’t that good too. His first meeting with Dominique Wilkins, he kept chumping him until Nique made a statement dunk to earn his respect. Larry just believed that there was not a white person in the league who could guard him. And I guess he’ll tell you they never found one either (except probably his teammate Kevin McHale — now that was a bad muthaflubber. He shoulda been a Knick).

    Anyway, I don’t really get the writer’s point of view. I’ll read it again later.

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | July 8, 2009 | Reply

  6. Michael Jackson teaches Michael Jordan to Dance

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | July 8, 2009 | Reply

  7. Rockets get injured player exception for Yao who may actually return this season, but Knicks could not get one while Jerome James was here. Go figure.

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | July 8, 2009 | Reply

  8. Well Bad News for the Knicks.

    As all know global warming is melting this planet’s Polar Ice Caps which effect sea levels around the coast around the globe and effect weather fluctuations.

    Well according to a report obtained by ESPN,… the global economic downturn is taking a toll on the League and has melted down the NBA Salary cap this season by about 1.6 percent this year and possibly at worst 5 percent next year.

    Such an accelerating reversal turn according to the ESPN report will effect teams like the Knicks who fancied themselves contenders for the services for at least two Superstar Players from the upcoming 2010 Free Agent crop.

    Read and view the attached video and newsreports:

    I wonder what this occurrence means for the prudence of signing an aging Grant Hill to what amounts to a 3.3 million dollar contract over three years? How does it or could it effect the leverage the Knicks have with regards to any negotiations they may currently be holding with their own restricted Free Agents- Lee and Robinson. Does this occurrence shift the leverage the Knicks have with regards to negotiating trades- sign and trades, sweetner trades etc- with other clubs in the league who will now be mindful of the Knicks possibly desperate plight to cut further cost in a bid to acquire start free agents for the D’antoni system.

    Your thoughts Fanatics?

    Comment by orangeandblue1 | July 8, 2009 | Reply

  9. At this point, the script moves to the dollar value and the stock price points and profit margins. Smoke and mirrors ’til all the dust settles. The first salvo to the players’ master collusive plan is to announce the 2010 salary cap. Why now? That’s unprecedented! Now if the collusion minded ones do carry through with their player option, they will pay where it matters most and I’m not talking shiny stuff or Hall of Fame.


    Steady (as DW removes the IT Black Blotches from the NYK)

    Comment by Steady | July 9, 2009 | Reply

  10. As always, nice post, Lives. I know it’s been awhile since last I stopped here. Not sure what led me here, looking through my favorites, and one site leading to another led me here. Then here I am, Anti-NYSN, I’m glad to be here again and see the many familiar names once yet again.
    It seems like I came at the right time to be reintroduced to the prose of Lives, on a topic I was looking to write about somewhere, expressing my feelings on the currently hot topic of this remaining year and perhaps beyond—the passing of the King of Pop.
    Like you Lives and Statesman2 , I have my own good times with Michael Jackson and was glad to know ,I wasn’t one of the many fans of his to go out and scurry to buy his sold out CDs after the news spews out the Kingpop is gone. As I have MJ’s HIStoty #1s and Jackson Five greatest hits cds. Even downloaded History into my Xbox a few months ago and remember playing a few songs of HIStory a week before he died. So many songs I like of MJ I fell to name one because quickly another song pops up in my mind and I realize that’s my favorite one also. So just to name a few that stand out is: Man in the Mirror, Human Nature, Rock with you…yes I can go on and on. Michael Jackson. Gerald Levert, Babyface and maybe Maxwell is the only artist that seems to have made music through out the years where at least every song of theirs I like and listen to quite a few times before I get bored with them.
    There will never be an artist such as MJ. For that to happen that such artist would have to start at age 9, sing like perfection himself, and throughout his life to around the age of fifty years old, leaves his fans with a body of work that is considered greatness. And, even then, if such a person would be born, would that person come up with original dance moves that would INSPIRE a generation and generations to come? The answer would be highly unlikely. Not to mention a fashion trendsetter at one time, as well.
    I first heard Michael Jackson went into cardiac arrest while listening to Wfan, Mike Francessa , as he seemed eager to be the first one to announce to his audience the breaking news of MJ as soon as he heard of the news. Moments later he announced that MJ was dead. Soon afterward mostly every station on the radio was a MJ song being played. Michael Jackson in a lot of ways would remain an enigma to his family, his fans, the media. His life outside of the music part I would always remain conflicted. But I’m not in the right to judge any man.

    Comment by Anti-NYSportsNews | July 9, 2009 | Reply

  11. Anti,

    Your re-emergence is both timely and welcome. I am even glad that you did not change your screenname as you had considered the last time we read you.

    It is certainly a thrill to see the old heads DLT, O&B, Statesman and Steady with you on the same thread. Peaceman, Paul, Post Up Prince, Tman, Jay Bee and IGMKnicks has been among those keeping us focused this summer. Clearly we love our Knicks, even while we struggle to find the positive and are staring another season of pain in the face.

    But it is the fellowship that bonds us and keeps us going in the tough times.

    And so it is true in the life and death of the Gloved-One that it was cathartic and reaffirming to see and join millions to celebrate his living and in mourn his passing.


    Man, we listen to music the same way. I didn’t go out and get any Michael CD’s either because I have most of what I need already, but I think my wife is hiding 1s. She claims that she’s not, but I can’t find it. (LOL).

    I didn’t realize how many records of his are my favorite one either until I heard these fabulous mixes on the radio station. Man, it really depends on what kind of mood you’re in or want to be in. Right now I’m stuck on “Man in the Mirror” and “You Are Not Alone.” But, I gotta get out of that slow mood sometime today — it’s beautiful but a bit of a downer right now. (Still, “Man In The Mirror” is a great reminder of whose responsibility to make our lives what we want them to be.)


    You folks don’t necessarily see it, but we are rapidly growing. Since we opened our new digs on April 12th our summer hits are nearly 150 per day and today we will have our 6000th hit. I know, I know — some of our indie purist don’t care who joins us since we are already here and know that we provide the best space for intense, intelligent and diverse views on one of our favorite topics — Life As Knicks Basketball Fans.

    But, like us, there are other Knicks Fans who need to know that “they are not alone, we are here with you and though they are far way,we are here to stay.”

    Knicks Fans You Are Not Alone — And We Will Eventually Be Champions Again.

    Peace and Blessings. I’ll check you out later today or tonight.

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | July 9, 2009 | Reply

    • Note to Admin…Post 20 belongs here!

      Comment by Steady | July 10, 2009 | Reply

    • Steady,you probably figured it out by now, but this “WordPress” theme does not allow me to number the 2d and third level comments. Nevertheless, I thought the option to respond directly to a comment was worth the extra bit of effort it takes to figure out the progression of responses. Plus as you also know (this is for newbies) the chronology of recent comments can be found on the sidebar under recent comments.

      Let me know if you think that set-up is a problem.

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | July 11, 2009 | Reply

  12. Oh States,

    My folks tried to get us to form singing groups too. They eventually just relegated our singing to little house parties during which they invited their friends to the house. My parents and their friends would gather in the living room around the wicker bar stand loaded with Vodka and Whiskey (no wine) and have us perform the Stylistics “Betcha By Golly Wow.” Drinking and laughing they would encourage us and tell us how great we were as I strained to hit those high notes probably sounding like a broken siren. We thought we were doing something — and we were — entertaining a bunch of drunks.

    (In all fairness, it did result in us putting on these hilarious sold out shows I wrote as a kid at the Public Library. It was the idea of family working together, as exemplified by the Jacksons, that made it conceivable.)

    One day, you’ll need to tell me why watching the Memorial was not a good day for you.

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | July 9, 2009 | Reply

  13. Top 2009 NBA Dunks

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | July 9, 2009 | Reply

  14. What happened to my most recent post?

    The one about the melting of the salary cap in 2010 as a result of the continuing economic recession?

    Please don’t give me the KD treatment.

    Comment by O&B's Ghost | July 9, 2009 | Reply

    • i think Mike Sweetney ate your post, O&B….he has made an appearance in the Summer League, and has been huge. Not in a good way. Already strained a hammy.

      Comment by Paul | July 9, 2009 | Reply

      • I was being comical.

        I don’t think the host would take my post away with any sort of malice.

        Perhaps he’d like to prepare a new thread.

        But that was what I’m looking to do.

        Comment by O&B's Ghost | July 9, 2009

      • Actually Mike Chutney and Eddie Curry shared the post. Eddie, who has been starving on the West Coast went Mrs. PacMan on a few other Blogs before stopping by. You’ll see at the summer league that he promptly gained back all 50 pounds. At least I think that’s what he’ll say after “What had happened was. . . ”

        Seriously, Posts will disappear to be moderated or approved automatically if they contain a couple of select words or the IP addresses of a very very limited list of terrorist spam bloggers. They are also automatically moderated, so it seems unreliably, if you are making your first Post on the site. My guess is that no one knows who the hell O&B’s Ghost is, but O&B. Also, it is unlikely that a moderated comment will be banned (even if your words run into my security system) unless the community as a whole is trying to dump a particularly useless and universally unwanted blogger and those are really, really hard to come by.

        Finally, any of the regulars can feel free to write a Post that I would gladly put into the Penthouse. If you desire, we can also put your avatar in the second sidebar under Fanatic Commentators. My offer to design you an avatar remains open although I can’t guarantee that I will get to it before the end of the month. Anytime fellas. If you want something to be said or heralded in the penthouse, you are free to say it.

        Brother O&B, don’t make us wait forever for that superb Post. States told me that having me put your comments in the penthouse is the only position what you say will ever take. Just kidding. You already know you’re the man — “the straw that makes bubbles in the drink.”

        Note to Newbies: You can become a regular by regularly saying something (or eating lots of fiber). Don’t let Paul be the sharpest knife in the drawer, please.

        Comment by livesinnewjersey | July 11, 2009

  15. Welcome back Anti.

    You are one of the reasons I participated in the original Knick blog (Isola’s at the Daily News) which historically migrated en masse to Hahn’s Fixer blog at Newsday, only to be abandoned (for “Wacky” cause), to Knick Defense, and subsequently moved to this happy and congenial home at Knick Fanatics–one of the most informed and fun sites on the web for Knick basketball enthusiasts.

    I always appreciated your critical and skeptical perspective on N.Y. sports writers–especially the jaded and hostile types who always denigrated the Knicks no matter who coached or played on the team. I look forward to your ongoing participation in our Fanatic community.
    Glad your back.

    Comment by Post-up Prince | July 9, 2009 | Reply

    • PU-King,
      Do you think that Omega-male at the old place would still be writing under the Wacky banner today if Lives had not Stephed up? Do you think he realizes that Lives and the uber-bloggers here SAVED his arse and nascent career? Do you think the up-n-comer saw when Steady posted that note to JD following T-man’s business analysis of the media wars: Get Newsday by any means necessary? Nah, now he’s Just Bloggin. That’s good for us all.
      Keep bringing it here bruh!

      Steady as IT Beat.


      Comment by Steady | July 10, 2009 | Reply

  16. Anti-NY Sports News, good to read ya! =)

    David Lee’s agent Mark Bartlestein cannot penetrate Donnie’s kung-fu. I feel bad that Walsh’s cryptic comment “I have a deal in my pocket but won’t tell about it yet but it gives me flexibility” has stymied the rest of the league from making offer sheets to Lee directly.

    They will of course do their due diligence and try to float lowball sign-n-trade offers, but nothing has piqued Walsh’s interest yet. The market continue to shrink for Lee, as the league has clearly recognized he is just not a $12M / yr player. He may not even be an $8M / yr player in today’s shrinking cap environment. This may turn into a qualifying offer versus full Knicks mid-level offer for Lee, and i for one hope he swallows his ego and takes the full MLE – that would be best for our long-term competitiveness.

    Yet another team falls by the wayside, read below.

    FREE AGENCY: Blazers prepare “toxic” offer for Millsap
    Paul Millsap | Jazz
    The Oregonian reports the Blazers are preparing a “toxic” offer sheet to Utah Jazz restricted free agent Paul Millsap. The Blazers hope the provisions of the contract will make it too difficult for the Jazz, who are already over the luxury tax threshold, to match.

    The newspaper also reports the Blazers may renounce the rights to Petteri Koponen and Joel Freeland so their cap room will increase from $7.7M to $8.9M.

    Millsap told the Blazers he would be willing to backup LaMarcus Aldridge at the power forward position.

    If the Millsap plan doesn’t go through, the Blazers will go after free agent Brandon Bass.

    Comment by Paul | July 9, 2009 | Reply

    • Good stuff. Thanks Paul.

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | July 11, 2009 | Reply

  17. Thanks for the love guys!!!

    I miss your guys, I’ve been busy with all sorts of stuff, other distractions in life that kept me very busy. I will be here blogging and waiting for the day when Lebron signs with the Knicks. lol Not holding my breath!!!!

    Do your guys like the selection Knicks chose in this years’s draft?

    Comment by Anti-NYSportsNews | July 9, 2009 | Reply

    • Welcome Back Anti

      I think Walsh did well relative to the position he was in in this year’s draft.

      While I would have loved to have seen Tyreke Evans, Johnny Flynn, or Brandon Jennings… I think Walsh played his hand well and got size inside who can run the floor shoot the mid range J, block a few shots and provide some depth and possible insurance if and when Lee bolts or gets traded. The Knicks second 1st round pick sounded like a steal, given that the individual is a throw back defense oriented combo guard who is a capable scorer who may be able to provide relief in the back court to Duhon, and insure against a Nate trade.

      Comment by orangeandblue1 | July 9, 2009 | Reply

    • Anti-
      Noting the band of bruh-hood sign-off on Waslh-up summer moves, Steady still says that there’s a silent auction/fire sale going on at the Mecca. Who’s the Marquee at Madison? Gallo can be but NY was built on the back of Rucker not Bed Stuy.
      To me Hill is a revisionists Taz–just about the same B-ball IQ (for the Euroball enthusiasts of the world) with a burgeoning J from 15-17 to do the PAP.
      We once had a Douglass who won a Heismann and played with passion here. Most FSU guards play the same game. See Sam I Am (now coaching with PaulNoize in the Friendly confines of Philly).

      Steady as IT Beat.


      Comment by Steady | July 10, 2009 | Reply

      • Steady,

        I think Sam Cassell is Flippin the Script with Coach Saunders down in D.C.

        Cassell hit so many big shots throughout his career, he was a player that was very easy to hate. If Toney has half the game Sam I Am had, he’ll be a very nice addition to the squad. He needs some work on his handle though to deserve comparisons to Ward & Sam.

        If Hill is Taz with a “J” i will be ecstatic! He’s got the ropes, but i don’t think he has quite the same motor though. Not a knock on Hill, it’s just the Taz has that secret sixth gear that make most players just shake their heads. Time for that seductive trap “If only he could learn to shoot….”

        As for your question, “Who’s the marquee player?” – is that from a marketing sense, or an on-court talent perspective?

        Comment by Paul | July 10, 2009

  18. i think there was pretty unanimous disappointment, Anti. Most heads were rooting for Stephen Curry pretty hard (yeah, the same ones who want the Knicks to play better defense, curiously enough).

    Curry will be a better player than Hill but i was pretty amped about the pick. i think Hill fills a glaring need for a mobile big that runs the floor well and can block some shots and provide (hopefully) some weakside help. Post-Up Prince is concerned that he lacks lateral speed defensively, in which case our interior will continue to be a sieve with slow-footed Lee and lard-ass Curry “clogging” things up.

    Pretty Toney Douglass signed today, looks a bit like a poor man’s Blue Edwards to me. It’ll be nice to have a guard who can defend, though. Apologies to Larry Hughes, who did defend well between bricks last year, despite a toe injury. Of course, with no length or speedy rotations in the interior, Larry was on an island while the other four Knicks did their best turnstile impressions.

    i guess they were waiting for D’Antoni to get down on his hands and knees and beg for some effort and intensity.

    Here’s to hoping that Mssrs Hill & Douglass have a little mpore pride and professionalism than that.

    Comment by Paul | July 9, 2009 | Reply

    • Don’t count me amongst those knicksfans.

      I had plenty of doubts about acquiring Curry b/c of the questions regarding his ability to D up.

      I certainly preferred Hill, Evans, Flynn or Jennings over Curry, even though Curry may prove to be as good or better than those players listed.

      Comment by orangeandblue1 | July 9, 2009 | Reply

  19. Anti is Back? Missed you bro!
    I think some of the “Hurt” we felt when Curry
    went one pick before us will diminish when
    MORRIS ALMOND starts poping those sweet jumpers
    as our NEW STARTING SG! BRONX and I gave you guys
    fair warning….Almond is going to be a STAR!
    DOUGLAS WAS A STEAL….gotta give Gramps credit
    with those two pick ups!!!!!

    Comment by Peaceman | July 9, 2009 | Reply

    • Gramps is a wiley old fox. Even though I’m not on board with pursuing Hill or Kidd he played his cards fairly well in this year’s draft.

      I hope Almond works out for the Knicks, acquiring Grant Hill will off course cut into Almond’s, Chandler’s pt if he’s on board. And his salary will count against the diminishing salary cap.

      So I hope Walsh is reconsidering that pursuit

      Comment by Ghost of Orange and Blu | July 9, 2009 | Reply

      • Where is the insurance salesman, Demetrius Nichols? We finally got him for a hot minute at the end of last year’s season long auditions. I’ll have to find out whether he is with State Farm, All-State or government owned AIG.

        Comment by livesinnewjersey | July 11, 2009

    • Peaceman, you’ve had Almond’s back for a long time.

      I think he has real potential to crack the rotation here, let’s keep our fingers crossed that Grant Hill falls for the Suns’ sweetened offer. =)

      Comment by Paul | July 10, 2009 | Reply

      • According to Yahoo Sports, Grant Hill took the Suns sweetened offer.

        Thanks goodness. I’m not buy this obtaining a vet near the tail end of a career to bring professionalism bunk.

        Knicks pups have to earn that on the court by playing through their snafus, and coach has got to get himself an assistant to pay the same attention to D that Mike does to O!

        Comment by orangeandblue1 | July 10, 2009

  20. Lives,
    If I’ve said it once, then I’ll say it a thousand times. You’re a gentleman and you write like a scholar. That piece above on G.R.E.A.T. or “The Gloved-One” was sheer brilliance and probably a catharsis for some. If and when any of us are called from this thread, here’s Steady’s virtual stream of tears induced by the melodic voice of Michael the G.R.E.A.T. and then reprised passionately by Usher Raymond. ….Gone too soon…

    Steady as Beat IT.


    Comment by Steady | July 10, 2009 | Reply

    • You’re generous, but thanks.

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | July 11, 2009 | Reply

  21. Eddy Curry Status Update via Hahn:

    Eddy Curry has been ordered by the Knicks to report to the NBA Summer League in Las Vegas so that team president Donnie Walsh and his staff can monitor the progress of Curry’s offseason diet and conditioning program, according to Jerry Powell, one of Curry’s offseason trainers.

    Curry will not play for the Knicks summer league team but is expected to be on the court for the second workout of a two-a-day session Sunday at Valley High in Las Vegas, where the Knicks will work out before their summer league opener Tuesday at UNLV.

    Powell says Curry, who began a strict diet and fitness regimen set up by California-based strength coach Tommy Weatherspoon in May and began workouts with Powell in June, has lost almost 50 pounds.

    “They want to see what he looks like,” Powell told Newsday. “They want to see him get up and down with the summer league team and practice.”

    And that’s why the Knicks worked with Curry’s current agent, Leon Rose, and ubiquitous basketball attaché William “Worldwide Wes” Wesley, to oversee a focused offseason program this summer. They set up shop at Oakland University, near Wesley’s home in West Broomfield, Mich.

    Weatherspoon arranged all of Curry’s meals and conditioning regimen. And when his weight was down to a manageable number and his knee issues, which have limited him to a total of 62 games during the last two seasons, had finally subsided, Powell began to work with Curry, scheduling two workouts per day from June 11 until July 3.

    Powell yesterday flew to Chicago to meet with Curry for some fine-tuning before Curry headed to Vegas for what will be his midsummer checkup. After Curry returns from Vegas, he and Powell will reunite in Ocean City, N.J., to continue their workouts until camp opens in Saratoga in late September.

    Comment by Paul | July 10, 2009 | Reply

  22. @Steady,
    Thanks for the kind words.

    Do you really believe that Darko will motivate Eddy?
    Is Darko the reason for Eddy’s new workout program?
    Is Darko a better rebounded than Q?
    Is Darko’s post-up game better than Qs?
    Q’s game never arrived in New York.

    Do you agree with the drafting of Hill or not? I could not tell after reading your remarks.
    I heard a man once say “It is better to have a good enemy, than a neutral friend“.

    Burying a sibling as an adult is a life-changing event. The pain is latent at times, but it remains for a lifetime.

    @Walsh & D’Antoni
    You will not get far while running on a treadmill.
    What is the plan?

    Peace & Blessings (All the time)

    Comment by Statesman2 | July 10, 2009 | Reply

    • I, like most, have no idea at all what (if anything) motivates Eddy Curry. i think Darko provides a slight (OK, very slight) MARGINAL amount of extra pressure than say Jerome James & Malik Rose did last year.

      Whether that (very slight) nudge prompts Eddy to get into NBA game shape is anyone’s guess. Even in shape, he is still a very flawed player with limited skills – out of shape, he is an untradeable albatross weighing down our bench, and a testament to being fat, happy & unproductive. Not exactly a good role model for a young team.

      Q’s game never did arrive in NY. A shame. Who inherits Malik’s role this season as “The Scholar”? Larry Hughes?

      Comment by Paul | July 10, 2009 | Reply

      • Steady I was certainly more for the acquisition of Hill who should be able to play both sides of the ball with some aplomb than for the acquisition of the frial shooter Curry!

        Comment by O&B's Ghost | July 10, 2009

      • Noize–One of Peaceman’s better moments was naming “The Scholar”. Larry Hughes would have to be dubbed as such by Peaceman or BARF before he can play that role. That ain’t gonna happen. One role The Scholar played was based on his many years in the NBA and wisdom from having won in SA under Pop. There is no such “Scholar” on the roster.

        Re: Motivation for Curry (with a soft C). It may be that the foreclosure and other financial stresses will serve as catalyst. Ain’t no spark hotter than the bill collector and the repo man. Because clearly the NYK, D(no)W and [ ]’anfony have shown that they can humiliate a baller into submission, and eat major paper with no trepidation. Curry (if he does not follow the script) can be this year’s Steph. Word to da mutha!

        Steady as IT Beat.

        Comment by Steady | July 10, 2009

    • Now that’s the Statesman 2 bloggers have come to love 2 love or love 2 loathe. Steady chose the former and not the latter.

      There is no plan. 2010 was 3-card Monty at best and the King of Fools card was revealed with the announced reduced salary cap in 2010. What they won’t say is that they’re rolling out an inferior product and hope celebrity row and the season ticket holders buy in.

      Steady as IT Beat.


      Comment by Steady | July 10, 2009 | Reply

    • I hear you States and I wish you Peace and the soothing power of good memories.

      I have yet to lose a sibling as an adult, but I can co-sign that the loss of a loved parent too soon has a very similar impact.

      Hey man, that is why we are to appreciate every day, try to bring our best to every encounter and treasure every moment (challenges and all) for the gifts they are. The greater our effort to do these things, the more likely we are to make the most of our visit here. Or so I believe.

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | July 11, 2009 | Reply

  23. Spurned again. Let the Andre Miller dalliance and rejection newscycle begin!

    Grant Hill will re-sign with the Suns according to Yahoo! Sports.

    His decision may have been influenced by the belief that Steve Nash is close to signing a contract extension. The proposed deal to keep Nash in Phoenix is believed to be for three years at approximately $33 million.

    Hill was pursued by the Celtics and Knicks but chose to remain in Phoenix.

    Channing Frye has also agreed to join the Suns.

    Comment by Paul | July 10, 2009 | Reply

    • Thank goodness!

      Comment by orangeandblue1 | July 10, 2009 | Reply

    • Paul–Looks like the NYK was leveraged again. Hooray for Grant. He went from Good to Great (which is an awesome business read BTW)

      Steady as IT Beat.


      Comment by Steady | July 10, 2009 | Reply

    • Amen. Hallelujah. Now we can go after Keith Van Horne.

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | July 11, 2009 | Reply

  24. Ok reading your guys responses i see mixed feelings in regards to our new draft picks. Curry is a dynamic scorer, as seen highlights and games of his from past 2 years. But his defense is something worth mentioning, and he’s a small guard at that— little kid looking. Only Iverson, when he 1st game on to the scene looking like a little kid but crossing over Jordan in embasressing fasion like a seasoned vet. aLL SMILES

    Eddy Curry was Isiah Thomas’ downfall. I REPEAT


    If only Eddy was aS potent as a defender as he is a offensively. Oh, man!!! The Knicks would be going places. Yes, like perennial playoffs contenders—Now all we left with is watching the Bulls enter the playoffS scene once again after aquiring that sensational point guard that we Knicks pundits can only dream about. Waiting on the day when the Lottery balls cheaters can cheat for us like they did for the Bulls and gave them their Chicago son—and GIVE us a New York son. Stephenson from Lincoln HS? I guess not possible because Knicks has no pick in 2010, right? Assuming Stephenson bolts for the NBA after one season in wherever place he chooses to play at.

    Peaceman, thanks—I miss reading the fight in you, when some hater crosses the line! FUNNY STUFF!!!! ClASSIC!!!

    Comment by Anti-NYSportsNews | July 10, 2009 | Reply

    • Anti–
      Did you see Modi’s piece on the Zeke trades where he broke down every transaction? Finding faults in fandom is fair. But in what context? The guy was two votes away from the All-Star team and has more post moves than Mailman Mike. Steady has always said that the culprit shall sit (or be cut). What leads a player to that status is more complicated than what the jaundiced eyes see.

      Re: Hill–One other attribute that remains to be seen is his handles. Taz had that skill a la Mase and could play the Point Forward. His unsigned status is starting to speak VOLUMES. Let’s just wait and see what the Grumpy Ol’ Man has tucked in his Serenity’s. (that’s for you Peace)

      Steady IT Beat.


      Comment by Steady | July 10, 2009 | Reply

  25. Ah Man. It is absolutely fabulous to see the crew stepping up with the knowledge. Great reads once again. Will some one please piss Peaceman off so I can threaten to ban him. LOL.

    I’ll be back late, late night to soak it all in.

    Peace and Blessings.

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | July 10, 2009 | Reply

  26. Good morning Gents. I’ll be in and out today. Unlikely to visit the Penthouse, but I got my tickets to Las Vegas today. The summer league trip is my wifey’s birthday present to me. Yay. But, I need some press credentials and access to secured Wi-Fi so that I can blog while there. I’ll figure something out. . . .

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | July 11, 2009 | Reply

    • Man Enjoy them games.

      Let me know if you can live blog them games. If so I’ll co-anchor.

      If you can’t. Can you still tweet. If so, I intend on LBEing at least 3 of the Summer League Games and I’d like to know how to include your twitter content while I set up the LBE Thread.

      Comment by orangeandblue1 | July 11, 2009 | Reply

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