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Las Vegas Summer League Diary, Day 4: It’s Only Just A Game

I’m packing up and preparing to take the red-eye with my own two red eyes tonight.  I might check out the Knicks v. Bulls game this afternoon since the Thomas and Mack Center is about two minutes away from the airport, but the truth is that I have learned all I needed to know about our Summer League team.  On second thought, I got too much information.  I did not need to see Jordan Hill underwhelm the opposition. (He did, however, grab 12 rebounds to go with his 7 fouls in the Kings loss.) His play was a disappointment.  But the number one rule we walk away with is that the Summer League is only a game and it doesn’t even count except to those trying to get noticed and picked up by a GM. We must also be reminded that every one of these players is a work in progress — they are not going to be static like stat sheets. Their games will evolve — we’re just concerned about what they will evolve into.

I liked what I learned about Toney Douglas, especially after he showed some offensive aggression (but still shot poorly) in our loss to the Kings.  More impressive was the fact that #4 pick Tyreke Evans could not get past “Mr. Lockdown Douglas” and when he tried he got stripped. (Yes, if Toney is “Mr. Lockdown”, then Jordan is “Mr Lock Him In  A Room With A Strength And Conditioning Coach”).

I also sat down with Toney’s dad, a coach and scout in his own right,  and he explained to me that Toney was a multi-sport star and team leader who can throw a football sixty yards and led a baseball team to 48 victories including a few no-hitters of his own.  Like others I’ve talked to, he said not to be concerned about Toney’s scoring and ability to penetrate because his summer league objective was to show he can run a team.   He did that.  My bet is he is now ready to play with people who will score after an assist and come to the ball when he passes it to them.    We’ll hook you up with that interview as soon as we can find the time to transcribe it.   After all this is not the Daily News.  LOL.

Morris Almond? Does he or doesn’t he have a job? He can clearly shoot and he at least puts forth an effort on defense.  He was a bit understated against the Kings however with 12 points on 5-13 shooting.  He is certainly the most likely of all the others to get a job with the Knicks this fall.  Joe Crawford, on the other hand, will probably be picked up by some other team.  He is very athletic and strong to the rim, but not the type of shooter the Knicks will be looking for.

The highlight of my b-ball day (and probably everyone else’s) was Jonny Flynn.  That youngster is Barry Sanders with a roundball.   He has a quick 1st step, 2d step, side-step and stutter-step.  He turns on a dime with the ball glued to his hands and splits defenders unlike anyone at these games.  And when he gets to the basket, as small as he is, he is far more likely to score than not.

There was a lot of noise around Jonny Flynn.  The crowd oohed and aah-ed more for him than it did for the fabulous efforts of Blake Griffin. Even more telling were the screams of defenders asking for help seconds before Flynn would make a move.  It was stunning.  I see why he was drafted before Rubio.  Part of his secret must be his huge hands and those calves that look like he ripped them off a superhero cartoon character.  Although, in my heart I am certain that bigger guards will shoot over him forever, it did not happen here.  You need to see this gentleman in person.

Gerald Henderson, who was drafted by the Bobcats, played alongside Flynn in the back-court. (Looks like Bob Johnson is cost cutting in preparation for a sale, so he was willing to pay for only one air fare to Vegas).  Flynn went out of his way to make sure that Henderson got a lot of work in.  Gerald, who is a tall guard with a solid frame, did not look particularly good today as he missed shots and seemed out of sync over all.  Still you can see why he will be an NBA baller.

The last game I sorta saw was the Nuggets-Trailblazers contest in which Ty Lawson abused Jerryd Bayless for the most part.  Lawson looked nice and solid.  He’s athletic but he didn’t seem too flashy and was just plain reliable.  He clearly knew what to do with the ball in his hands.   I should have watched a little more closely but I was chewing the fat with my new friends from Portland who invited me from my front row perch to the boonies with them and Flip Saunders, who said he would have given me an interview but he had a meeting to go to.  So I got flipped by a Wizard. Dig that.

Anyway,  in between my buddies treating each other like Oscar and Felix of the Odd Couple (and Oscar dissing Obama and lovin’ on Palin), they shared some basketball knowledge that Knicks fans may want to know.  Jerryd Bayless cannot run the point guard position well.  The experiment is failing and the Blazers need a point guard, which for you means we don’t need Jerryd Bayless.

As I said before, meeting all the folks who loved the game like we do was the best part.  I’d come back again and I probably will although the Knicks will need to do some work to have a first round draft pick for me to watch.    You can’t beat the value here — six mostly competitive  games a day for $27 dollars a day.   I think it’s an experience that most of you would enjoy.


There is an interesting article on Point Guard play by Art Garcia on the NBA Summer League website.  Funny how two people can see the same thing differently, isn’t it?  Perhaps I need a new pair of glasses.    I disagree on his assessment of Stephen Curry, but I didn’t know that Brandon Jennings was giving his jersey away after every game or I woulda run over there (with gloves on of course;  I’m afraid of lots of sweat) and gotten me a happening souvenir I wouldn’t have to leave in Vegas.

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Las Vegas Summer Diary, Day 3: Blake Griffin and Stephen Curry Highlight The Day League

Las Vegas Summer League Diary, Day 2, Part 2: The Summer Maturation of Brandon Jennings — Now Print That MSM!!!

Las Vegas Summer League Diary, Day 2, Part 1: Fan Watching Better Than Watching Knicks Lose

Las Vegas Diary, Day 1, Part 2: Observations On Knicks’ First Outing

Las Vegas Diary, Day 1, Part 1

It’s On and Poppin’ In Vegas

July 18, 2009 - Posted by | Gerald Henderson, Jonny Flynn, Jordan Hill, Morris Almond, NBA Draft, NBA Summer League, New York Knicks, Toney Douglas, Ty Lawson, Tyreke Evans


  1. LOL Lives the following line was hilarious!

    “if Toney is “Mr. Lockdown, then Jordan is “Mr Lock Him In A Room With A Strength And Conditioning Coach”

    I’m glad my love of Johnny Flynn is being validated.

    So Knicks fans cant certainly not insist on obtaining Jerryd Bayless in any trade scenario with the Blazers. How about Sergio Rodriguez and Pryzbilla for Lee?

    Comment by orangeandblue1 | July 18, 2009 | Reply

    • The word is that Kevin Pritchard really likes Nate as does Brandon Roy. I have no idea how that would work; sign and trade maybe. I haven’t been keeping up with the trade rumors the last couple of days. It seems like the NYMSM is making it up as fast as they can think it. I can’t keep up now.

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | July 18, 2009 | Reply

      • The rumor mill portion of the Knicks season is the most active and the portion in which they reach any level of relevancy. The MSM are a bunch of teases to many a long suffering Knick fan looking to any sign that the franchise can make a transaction capable of helping to turn the corner for the moribund franchise.

        Sad but true!

        Comment by orangeandblue1 | July 18, 2009

  2. Well if the Fanatics haven’t checked out the recent Knicks news on te blogosphere, or the “NY Bad News Bears” link for that matter, there is news that may please certain Fanatics.

    Bucks famed twitterer, Gery Woelfel, reports that the Knicks are interested in obtaining Bucks restricted free agent point guard Ramon Sessions either through a sign and trade, 1st option, or if that can’t be obtained with the Bucks organization, the Knicks will tender Sessions an offer for this years Mid-Level Exception.

    See the following thread:

    There is an article about Knicks 8th pick rookie, Jordan Hill from the Arizona Republic. See the following link:

    The NY Post’s, Marc Berman reports that Walsh forsees negotiations with David Lee coming to a head early next week and the possibility that the Knicks Five your tender to Lee, reported as being 5 years in length, will be pulled off the table should Lee not accept that offer.

    See following Link

    Lastly another report on Nate Robinson’s and David Lee’s continued sense of disrespect they feel toward the Knicks franchise for not advancing an offer to the two restricted free agents that those players believe reflects their value.

    Comment by orangeandblue1 | July 18, 2009 | Reply

    • Now that Nash has opted to stay with Phoenix for two more years and has decided that neither the lure of the coach that pumped up his stats, the chance to play in the Mecca before the most knowledgeable fans 42 times a year, the opportunity to spend winters and summers in the same apartment, nor the chance to work with James Dolan were good enough reasons to play for the Knicks, does anyone doubt that the Knicks are not attractive to the top players?

      The way the Knicks treated Stephon Marbury, Chris Duhon and now David Lee and Nate Robinson is rippling across the league. While Walsh has abundant respect amongst league managers and D’Antoni amongst players, the players are clear that New York will not be able to build a winner anytime soon.

      What did they do to Duhon? Dare you ask?

      The Knicks pulled the bait and switch, ran him into the ground and are now doing everything they can to let the world know that he is really the back-up we thought he was before we paid him too much money to allow us to dump Marbury.

      They told Duhon he would lead a team. They dismantled the team without giving him adequate support. They accepted a deal which left them without a back-up point and proceeded to wear him out all the while knowing that he was increasingly incapable of running the offense. At the end of the season they praise Duhon but immediately look for a guard to replace him.

      If you were an NBA player, would you trust the Knicks? If Nash says no to his boy, would LeBron, who believes in the virtue of loyalty (See Mike Brown still has a job), come to the Knicks for less money? Tell me why he would again please.

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | July 21, 2009 | Reply

  3. I’ll set up an LBE to watch the Finally of the Knicks sojourn through the Vegas Desert as they end thier 5 game Summer League stand.

    Comment by orangeandblue1 | July 18, 2009 | Reply

  4. Lives: Enjoyed reading your reports from Vegas, especially the local color commentary, including conversations with real fans and solid analysis of the players on both the Knicks and several other teams. I will try not to be too discouraged about the play of Hill in the Summer League; Keven Durant had a poor summer league showing in 08 and gradually improved his game over the course of the regular season. Nevertheless, Hill has to visit the weight room often in the months ahead.

    O & B.: At this point, even rumors or hints thereof provide a reason to cling in hope that the Knick brass is actually thinking about forthcoming season. Without Lee and N8, the team identity is no longer familiar and what has been put together to date is beyond dismal; it is utterly hopeless. Walsh must deliver something more than what has thus far been assembled if there is to be anything like a competitive team by the start of training camp. Let a hundred rumors bloom, maybe one will be true and meke the team better.

    Comment by Post-up Prince | July 18, 2009 | Reply

    • PostUp

      My position with Walh’s hopeful manuevering this offseason is that I’m good with whatever makes the Knicks better on the court come regular season, and of course long term.

      Here is my take on Lee, and Bartlebe’s Beelzuboobing Lee’s actual worth- that said I can’t hate on Lee for seeking to improve his economic position this offseason, we’d all do the same if we were in his shoes.

      ….. May take on Lee’s salary expectation …..

      Miss your commentary Saipan

      Check RealGM’s Chris Reina’s assessment of Lee’s value after taking into consideration his shortcomings- 18 million before dropping Lee to 9 million per year which I still think is too hight. Chris Reina of RealGM also forgets to note that Lee’s numbers are arguably inflated b/c he plays in a high output offensive system.

      Also note how smaller but heartier Fowards like Millsap, Bass, and Detroit’s young 4 outwork Lee on the boards when matches up against those guys.

      Lastly note that Millsap will likely accept the Utah matching offer valued at about 8 million per season while Brandon Bass will likely play for the Magic at about the MLE of 5.6 million per season. Lee’s asking price of about 10 to 12 million per season is not reasonable in that while he is a very helpful role player with alot of offensive fluidity, his end game production is not as good and he will need to be surrounded by legit star players and roll players on offense and defense to compliment and cover up for his short comings.

      Do all these indications not tell people that the writing is on the wall about David Lee’s real value?

      … Note that the comment was attempted on Knicksdefense’s website but to date he has continued to block me out from blogging and fellowshipping with the mercurial bloggers there especially my favorite, SaipanKnickster….

      I hope Saipan understands that I’ve not tried to avoid KnicksD’s webblog. I actually wanted to continue to camraderie I built with the few bloggers still there. But the blog is a private blogg and KnicksD is in his right to censor whomever he whishes. Such a shame when we all should thank him and commend him, KnicksD, for being a pioneer of the Knicks Indyblogosphere

      Comment by orangeandblue1 | July 18, 2009 | Reply

      • FUGG KD,
        You have to be to him to post
        there! All three are him! Here is his blog Theme:

        Comment by Peaceman | July 20, 2009

    • Thanks Post-Up. No doubt that Hill has potential. He has only been playing at a high level for a little more than 5 years so he is definitely a project. I was reminded today that Camby was not the force he turned out to be when he first came to the Knicks, so patience is an appropriate response until there is absolute evidence that progress is not likely. Hill had a pretty decent last game which leads us to keep hope alive.

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | July 21, 2009 | Reply

  5. Lives,
    I think your wrong about Bayless. Dead wrong.
    I’d take him in NY in a NY minute! Everyone is
    entitled to have an off Game. Remember, he was
    last year’s runaway MVP. How long can the Knicks
    Suck 4ever??????

    Comment by Peaceman | July 19, 2009 | Reply

    • Peaceman, I stated that two gentlemen who are Blazer fans and watch Bayless on the regular suggested that the conversion to point process has been unsuccessful. I have not paid much attention to JerryD, but if they are correct, why do we want him?

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | July 21, 2009 | Reply

      • Consider those Blazer fans “Watched” him on the BENCH
        last year…………….Why do we want him?
        Hmmmmm….so much talent few spots……

        Comment by Peaceman | July 22, 2009

  6. Knicks’ Sin City: Sorry act shows up in Vegas
    Saturday, July 18th 2009, 6:14 PM

    Mike D’Antoni talks a good game as Eddy Curry forgets sneakers and Knicks try to sell a future that isn’t there.
    The Madison Square Gulag Network actually offered some live July programming this past week. One of its famed voices might have described it thusly: Precocious neophyte Knicks dishing and swishing in a Las Vegas gym.

    Donnie Walsh was there. He even appeared on camera. So did Mike D’Antoni. Garden boss James (Guitar Jimmy) Dolan was in the building, too. He did not grace his television propaganda arm with an on-camera appearance. Nor did Dolan pass out any crumbs to reporters. They did not even get a hello.
    No surprise there. When you’ve got nothing to sell, it’s best to keep your mouth shut. Dolan was better off letting his well-paid apparatchiks, Walsh and D’Antoni, front for him.
    Both men performed admirably. When your team has no game you’d best be able to talk a good one. That was clear watching Mike Breen and Walt (Clyde) Frazier interview D’Antoni on Tuesday during Knicks-Grizzlies. Breen asked D’Antoni to comment on America’s Guest, the man who has perfected the art of making money for nothing, Eddy Curry.
    “He’s doing all the right things,” proclaimed D’Antoni, hyping the big guy’s out-sourced conditioning program.
    Breen failed to follow up with this question: You mean like forgetting to bring his sneakers to Las Vegas?
    Why bother with such a minor detail? Yet while soaking in all this Vegas stuff, and hanging on to the brain trust’s every word, mystery was cooking in the desert heat. A big mystery that should concern Dolan. With the Knicks, in their current state, what does he actually have to sell?

    Perhaps Mr. Dolan ventured to the sports book at Caesars Palace to see the latest odds on the Knicks making the playoffs. Dolan must have more immediate concerns. As things stand, is there any reason to believe the Knicks will have enough sizzle, be enough of an attraction to become a TV property capable of producing more than their usual Emergency Broadcast Signal-like ratings?
    What about ticket sales? It was reported, maybe even in the newspaper Dolan runs (what a darn coincidence), season subscriptions are up from last year. Up from what? Considering the tickets weren’t selling all that well in ’08-’09, this ain’t a big deal.

    All the focus on Walsh clearing cap space for 2010 amounts to Garden spin. What once seemed like an accomplishment has been devalued by overkill. By October, it ain’t going to sell anymore. Is anyone, especially in this economy, going to plunk down cash based on the hope the Knicks might actually land a marquee free agent in 2010?
    Yet, this just-wait-and-see theory continues to be perpetuated. It’s part of the standard, continuous yammering coming out of sports talk radio’s Valley of the Stupid. Not only will a big name come to the Knicks for big Cablevison money, they will come to play under “D’Antoni’s system.”
    Sorry for asking, but has “D’Antoni’s system” ever won an NBA title? Just another typical storyline coming from a Knicks organization trying to turn an uncertain future into a marketing device.
    Bob Raissman

    Peace & Blessings

    Comment by Statesman2 | July 19, 2009 | Reply

  7. Fanatics,

    We are 0 and 5 in the summer league.Not a big thing ,but I’m tired of losing.I missed the LBE today, got in too late.

    I’m hoping one of these rumors comes true.Boozer,Sessions or Miller,anything to bring hope to this team.ANYTHING!Walsh has a few months, in my opinion, to turn this around. 2010 starts with a potentially good team in 2009.If the money is the same why rise not being able to win.Lee(in a sign-n-trade) and Mobley’s contract should be enough to get us a real talented player.O.K. Donnie the clock is ticking…

    Comment by D L T Knicks | July 19, 2009 | Reply

    • Well

      Like Nilo, Hill and Douglas will need time to see how far they can develop.

      I was also pulling for a Knicks win.

      Who knows whether Walsh will be able to deliver. Could he have forseen a possible shift in the amount of the salary cap given the economic climate? If so what could or should he have done now that it is possible Walsh might neither be able to sign an A list Superstar and co-star alongside one another and may as a result have trouble luring even an A lister individually.

      Comment by orangeandblue1 | July 19, 2009 | Reply

  8. My apologies for not following up on today’s LBE. Something came up.

    We’ll be ready to roll come preseason and the regular season, hopefully further on as well.

    Though I think I might poll a game of the week to cover between Thrs to Sunday slot of the week.

    Comment by orangeandblue1 | July 19, 2009 | Reply

  9. Peaceman

    Sad that our fellow indyblogger pioneer done lost his mind.

    Ce la vie!

    Comment by orangeandblue1 | July 20, 2009 | Reply

  10. Q just got traded AGAIN – his fourth team this summer.

    The Los Angeles Clippers agreed to trade Quentin Richardson to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Sebastian Telfair, Mark Madsen and Craig Smith.

    i think the Minnesota front office just got Kahned.

    Comment by Paul | July 20, 2009 | Reply

    • We should have traded Q directly to Minny for Telfair.

      Comment by D L T Knicks | July 20, 2009 | Reply

    • The trades simply prove that QRich, as in QRichs $9 Million expiring contract, is a very valuable trade asset. Q is clearly on the tail end of his career (if not beyond it), but that contract is going to allow flexibility for more moves by Kahn.

      I like the way Kahn operates. He is taking a lot of risks to make his team better. He is having a special summer and is cleaning up the mess resulting from being shamrocked by McHale.

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | July 21, 2009 | Reply

  11. Nash has re-upped. Grant Hill said no, Kidd said no. Roberson, the Knicks should have said no, and Duhon is a backup. LeBron is not coming. Wade is not coming. The 2010 expire next year and they will be worthless.

    Brooke Lopez at center w/ Brandon Jennings running the point would have the fans excited. Duhoh, Roosta, and Hill, hmmmm?

    The good and bad from this year’s Vegas summer league
    Sean Deveney

    Ah, summer league basketball, where lottery picks mingle with long-shot undrafted players, where playbooks are mangled by first-time NBAers, where the players can’t foul out (which is good, because the refs are often clueless). Summer league games are, generally, an ugly scrum. But amid the ugliness, we can learn a few things about the NBA’s next generation.
    “I learned a lot,” Warriors guard Stephen Curry told “Everybody is just learning, but it gives you the chance to take the things they work on in practice and put them into game situations.”
    Curry shot just 32.5 percent in summer league—which wrapped up on Sunday—though scouts were impressed by his shooting form and leadership. It was two of Curry’s teammates, though, who registered the biggest impressions during the summer session. Let’s break down what went on in Las Vegas over the 10 days of summer league.

    The good

    The Warriors’ Anthonys. Anthony Randolph set a record with 42 points in a game, later topped by Anthony Morrow’s 47 points. The pair led the summer league in scoring, with Randolph posting 26.8 points per game and Morrow putting up 24.7. Morrow is a pure shooter and led the league in 3-point shooting last year as a rookie (46.7 percent). The sky might be the limit for Randolph, though, who is 6-10, can handle the ball, rebound and score, and just turned 20. One West scout said of Randolph, “He has a chance to be a top-15 player.”

    Blake Griffin, from the field. Griffin was as good as advertised in summer league, notching averages of 19.0 points, 10.8 rebounds and 3.2 assists. He shot 50 percent from the field and pretty much left no doubt about his worthiness as the No. 1 pick or his spot in the Clippers’ starting lineup.

    The I’m-not-Ricky-Rubios. The Kings were criticized for taking Tyreke Evans over Rubio with the No. 4 pick, but Evans made his mark, averaging 19.2 points, 6.2 rebounds and 4.2 assists. Scouts weren’t convinced that Evans is a point guard, but he did show that he’s got value as an NBA player. The Timberwolves, too, got some Rubio-related criticism when they selected both Rubio and Jonny Flynn with the No. 5 and No. 6 picks. Rubio, of course, is still in Spain, but the Wolves were pleased with Flynn’s toughness and numbers—15.0 points and 7.4 assists.

    The Mavs’ steal. The Mavericks surprised some by choosing Roddy Beaubois with the No. 25 pick, but before suffering a bruised knee, Beaubois showed good shooting range and jaw-dropping athleticism. He needs some polish, but he’s a keeper.

    Chris Paul’s new best friend. The Hornets haven’t really had a backup for Paul over the course of his career, but it appears they filled that hole with Darren Collison, an ideal backup because he is smart, mature and isn’t prone to mistakes. Collison isn’t much of a shooter, but he showed that he is quick and adept at running a team.

    The Bucks’ new guards. Second-rounder Jodie Meeks made his mark at Kentucky as a scorer, and he shot well from NBA range in his five summer games—he averaged 19.0 points on 55.7 percent shooting. That level of accuracy helped teammate Brandon Jennings, who showed a pass-first knack by leading the summer league with 8.2 assists.

    The Rockets’ big man. Yao Ming is out, which could mean an opportunity for Joey Dorsey, who pretty much squandered all of his rookie season last year. But Dorsey showed himself to be a presence in the paint in summer league, averaging 14.8 rebounds and 2.6 blocks.

    The not-so-good

    Blake Griffin, from the free-throw line. He needs work. As good as he was in every other facet, he shot just 45.9 percent on his free throws.

    The man in the middle. Hasheem Thabeet was not expected to dominate offensively, and the fact that he struggled to get comfortable with the ball was no surprise. But the fact that he was such a nonfactor on the defensive end must be worrying the Grizz brass. Thabeet was whistled for 26 fouls while blocking just four shots.

    The Sun that did not rise. Given their youth movement and their still-continuing search for depth, Phoenix is hoping that Earl Clark can be a solid rotation player for them from Day 1. It wasn’t a good start. Clark was tentative and shot just 37.8 percent.

    From Israel, with much work to do. Omri Casspi will most likely be the first Israeli player in the NBA, but some of the knocks against him before the Kings drafted him surfaced in summer league. Scouts are worried about Casspi’s ability to bulk up enough to handle the NBA, and about his toughness. He shot just 29.5 percent in Las Vegas.

    The project. It was well-known before the draft that any team selecting B.J. Mullens would have to be patient. After seeing him in summer league, though, that might have to be upgraded to very patient. Mullens averaged just 5.8 points and 2.6 rebounds, shooting 39.4 percent.

    Your team will regret passing on …

    Chase Budinger, Rockets. There didn’t seem to be much logic to Budinger’s draft-night slip into the second round, and he was solid all-around in his summer stint. He averaged 17.8 points in just 22.2 minutes, shooting 68.1 percent from the field and 72.7 from the 3-point line.

    Marcus Thornton, Hornets. He was limited to three games, but Thornton averaged 20.7 points and looks to be a reliable bench scorer for the Hornets, who grabbed him in the second round.

    DeJuan Blair, Spurs. Concerns about Blair’s knees forced him to slide into the second round, but he is likely to contribute for the Spurs right away. What he lacks in height he makes up for in thickness and toughness. He posted 16.3 points and 8.7 rebounds in three games.

    Yeah, he’s still alive …

    Adam Morrison. He played pretty well for the Lakers summer team.

    Marcus Williams. Playing for Memphis, he tied Brandon Jennings for the Las Vegas league lead in assists at 8.2 per game.

    Nikoloz Tskitishvili. He was the most prominent among the international busts the Knicks trotted out (Yaroslav Korolev and Mouhamed Sene were the others), and Skita did not play badly—12.4 points, 5.0 rebounds and 42.9 percent 3-point shooting.

    Luke Jackson. Three words sum up the summer performance of the former No. 10 pick: Thirty percent shooting.

    Smush Parker. He popped up with the Raptors, but averaging 8.0 points on 36.4 percent shooting isn’t likely to get him a contract..

    Before you get too excited …

    Leading scorer, Las Vegas summer league 2008: Jerryd Bayless, 29.8 points per game.
    Jerryd Bayless 2008-09 scoring average: 4.3 points.

    Second leading scorer, Las Vegas summer league 2008: Donte Greene, 22.6 points.
    Donte Greene 2008-09 scoring average: 3.8 points.

    Third leading scorer, Las Vegas summer league 2008: Quincy Douby, 22.3 points.
    Quincy Douby 2008-09 scoring average: 4.3 points.

    Fourth leading scorer, Las Vegas summer league 2008: Alando Tucker, 21.6 points.
    Alando Tucker 2008-09 scoring average: 4.6 points.

    Sean Deveney is a staff writer for Sporting News. E-mail him at

    Peace & Blessings

    Comment by Statesman2 | July 20, 2009 | Reply

    • i think drafting Frye over Bynum was a bigger loss than Gallo over Brooke Lopez.

      Mind you, if we had taken Jennings everybody here would be KILLING D’Antoni for poor defense. If you want defense, you don’t draft poor defenders like Jennings.

      Everyone should check out this Darko clip. =)

      Comment by Paul | July 21, 2009 | Reply

      • Part of me likes that mean streak.

        But on the otherhand it was over the top, lewd, obscene. I didn’t watch the game so I can’t tell what irked him so much. But even with that said there is some level of acountability that goes with a loss. He took none and put all blame on everyone else except for himself and his teamates.

        What does that say about Darko as a player to you Paul?

        Comment by orangeandblue1 | July 22, 2009

  12. Roberson has been waived by the Bulls. He played point for them in the Summer League and looked below average; so did his stats. 37% fgp, 32% 3pt%, 1.2 rpg, 1.2apg.

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | July 21, 2009 | Reply

  13. Paul what Sound logic or reasoning do you base the Frye over Bynum, was more devastating than Roosta over Lopez?

    1) Bynum was not considered a great high school baller, and had the label as an underachiever.

    2) Bynum as a pro has illustrated great potential, but has been injury-prone. He has missed large portions of the two previous seasons.

    3) Lopez was an all-american coming out of college in a conference that had quality big men, (Love, Gibson).

    4) Lopez as a shot-blocker (after the Knicks were last in the league in block shots) would enhance the guards and Dlee’s defense

    5) Curry’s style of play dies not fit D’Antoni’s style, and it was known that Curry wanted out of New York, and the Knicks would need a center.

    6) Walsh called the draft last year very important, and then drafted a guy w/ history of being injured.

    7) One collision with Tractor Traylor ended Roosta’s season. What will happen if Shaq hits Roosta this coming year?

    8) D’Antoni has never pretended that defense was a priority. Steve Nash has not played defense since he left Dallas.

    9) The team is looking for a starting point, after last year’s free agent signing was the point to get us past the next 2-years.

    10) Paul, has the talent level increased through the transactions Walsh‘s transactions? Before Isiah was let go, the Company line was to clear space for 2010. BTW, does Donnie need a mulligan on the Duhon signing?

    FYI-Paul, Tim McVeigh was a Christian, and the harm terror being inflicted on the Gaza strip is coming from those of the Jewish religion. There is not a religion that has a monopoly on good or evil. Every faith has extremist. Hell you were even calling Obama a terrorist at one time.

    Peace & Blessings

    Comment by Statesman2 | July 21, 2009 | Reply

    • Statesman, thanks for your comprehensive response. Your question to me is: Paul what Sound logic or reasoning do you base the Frye over Bynum, was more devastating than Roosta over Lopez?

      My quick answer your question is: i think Bynum is a slightly better player than Lopez, and i think Gallinari will be a considerably better player than Frye.

      Here goes:

      1) I think Lopez & Bynum are both fine players

      2) I think Gallinari has more potential than Frye on both sides of the ball

      3) Despite their very different career paths, Bynum is a year older and is a better career shotblocker, better eFG% shooter, has better PER, and is a better rebounder than Lopez.

      4) Your point on Bynum’s injuries are noted & valid. Bynum’s a good 20-25 pounds heavier than Lopez, which is both blessing and curse. I did not think Lopez would be a particularly athletic power forward nor a dominant center, and would develop into a better version of Michael Doleac. His solid rookie season was a revelation, and provides a wonderful foundation for the Nyets to build upon.

      5) It’s unfair to simultaneously criticize a GM for both trying to upgrade, and not doing enough to upgrade. If Walsh trades Duhon for Miller or Sessions, you criticize him for signing Duhon in the first place. Does he need a mulligan? If he stands pat, he’s not being aggressive enough. It’s a lose/lose script for Walsh.

      6) Walsh wasn’t the “lets increase the talent level around here” G.M. – that was Isiah Thomas. Zeke steadily increased our talent level for five years, sometimes with extreme ingenuity. It didn’t work. Walsh is clearly more on a Moneyball-type “productivity per cap dollar” mission.

      7) D’Antoni was clearly brought in here to dazzle & distract us while Walsh dismantled a completely dysfunctional, mismatched & overpaid roster. It’s my belief that he agreed to do it under the condition that we draft Gallinari – that CERTAINLY would have been a deal-killer for me, but Wlash/Dolan opted in. Knicks fans aren’t trying to hear “rebuilding” after the failures of the Layden & Thomas Eras, most are crying out for the quick fix. Easier said than done – not every team has a dump trade (Gasol, KG) or a Ewing-type draft miracle up their sleeves.

      Walsh has done a decent, if not spectacular, job of getting rid of our worst problem children. D’Antoni did NOT have a good year last year, and probably needs a drastic improvement in Season 2 to avoid a parting of ways. But it wouldn’t have made sense to bring in a Skiles-like defensive taskmaster to a squad that had Zach / Marbs / Craw / Eddy / Nate, would it?

      And the 2010 LeBron plan, if it ever truly was more than a smokescreen, is clearly shot to hell…it was always predicated on TWO max free agents conspiring with each other to revitalize NY. Now we may not even be able to afford ONE max contract! You’ve rightfully pointed out that LeBron won’t come here just to play with Gallo, Chandler, Hill & Toney plus a roster of minimums & undrafteds. Nevertheless, our way out of this revolving door is to begin accumulating assets that produce more than they cost. If we accumulate talent at a premium cost, we doom our younger & low cost players to supporting or bit player roles, where they will never shine or have an opportunity to grow while our premium assets depreciate.

      Yeah, religious extremists of all types generally suck. I don’t recall posting or thinking Obama was a terrorist, but let’s just say i am bitterly clinging to his wish that he be judged after his first 1000 days rather than his first 100. He’s had a pretty awful start, virtually across the board thus far, but there is still plenty of time to turn things around. If only Waldotoni had that luxury!

      Comment by Paul | July 21, 2009 | Reply

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