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THE BOOK OF FANATIC PAUL ON WALSH, D’ANTONI, LOPEZ and the DOGGED DAYS OF PRESIDENT OBAMA

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Well, I may be back on the East Coast but I am feeling the heat as I respond to over 200 personal and business emails and re-adjust to some familial responsibilities. Las Vegas  was crazy fantasy fun, but now back to reality, which means it may be another day before I offer a new post.  But thank goodness for the Fanatic Family which is the heart of  it all anyway.  I just read Paul’s response to Statesman’s query about his comparison of Lopez and Bynum (and Walsh v. Isiah).  While I find a lot to disagree with in Paul’s remark, as usual it is well stated and provocative.  Therefore, we elevate his comments to the Penthouse for further illumination and discussion.  Peace and Blessings.

“Statesman, thanks for your comprehensive response. Your question to me is: Paul what Sound logic or reasoning do you base the Frye over Bynum, was more devastating than Roosta over Lopez?

My quick answer your question is: i think Bynum is a slightly better player than Lopez, and i think Gallinari will be a considerably better player than Frye.

Here goes:

1) I think Lopez & Bynum are both fine players

2) I think Gallinari has more potential than Frye on both sides of the ball

3) Despite their very different career paths, Bynum is a year older and is a better career shotblocker, better eFG% shooter, has better PER, and is a better rebounder than Lopez.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bynuman01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lopezbr01.html

4) Your point on Bynum’s injuries are noted & valid. Bynum’s a good 20-25 pounds heavier than Lopez, which is both blessing and curse. I did not think Lopez would be a particularly athletic power forward nor a dominant center, and would develop into a better version of Michael Doleac. His solid rookie season was a revelation, and provides a wonderful foundation for the Nyets to build upon.

5) It’s unfair to simultaneously criticize a GM for both trying to upgrade, and not doing enough to upgrade. If Walsh trades Duhon for Miller or Sessions, you criticize him for signing Duhon in the first place. Does he need a mulligan? If he stands pat, he’s not being aggressive enough. It’s a lose/lose script for Walsh.

6) Walsh wasn’t the “lets increase the talent level around here” G.M. – that was Isiah Thomas. Zeke steadily increased our talent level for five years, sometimes with extreme ingenuity. It didn’t work. Walsh is clearly more on a Moneyball-type “productivity per cap dollar” mission.

7) D’Antoni was clearly brought in here to dazzle & distract us while Walsh dismantled a completely dysfunctional, mismatched & overpaid roster. It’s my belief that he agreed to do it under the condition that we draft Gallinari – that CERTAINLY would have been a deal-killer for me, but Wlash/Dolan opted in. Knicks fans aren’t trying to hear “rebuilding” after the failures of the Layden & Thomas Eras, most are crying out for the quick fix. Easier said than done – not every team has a dump trade (Gasol, KG) or a Ewing-type draft miracle up their sleeves.

Walsh has done a decent, if not spectacular, job of getting rid of our worst problem children. D’Antoni did NOT have a good year last year, and probably needs a drastic improvement in Season 2 to avoid a parting of ways. But it wouldn’t have made sense to bring in a Skiles-like defensive taskmaster to a squad that had Zach / Marbs / Craw / Eddy / Nate, would it?

And the 2010 LeBron plan, if it ever truly was more than a smokescreen, is clearly shot to hell…it was always predicated on TWO max free agents conspiring with each other to revitalize NY. Now we may not even be able to afford ONE max contract! You’ve rightfully pointed out that LeBron won’t come here just to play with Gallo, Chandler, Hill & Toney plus a roster of minimums & undrafteds. Nevertheless, our way out of this revolving door is to begin accumulating assets that produce more than they cost. If we accumulate talent at a premium cost, we doom our younger & low cost players to supporting or bit player roles, where they will never shine or have an opportunity to grow while our premium assets depreciate.

Yeah, religious extremists of all types generally suck. I don’t recall posting or thinking Obama was a terrorist, but let’s just say i am bitterly clinging to his wish that he be judged after his first 1000 days rather than his first 100. He’s had a pretty awful start, virtually across the board thus far, but there is still plenty of time to turn things around. If only Waldotoni had that luxury!”

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July 21, 2009 - Posted by | Andrew Bynum, Brook Lopez, Chris Duhon, Danilo Gallinari, Donnie Walsh, Isiah Thomas, New York Knicks

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  1. Welcome to the Pent House Paul!

    That was one hell of a comeback.

    Like Lives there are some items I disagree with but there is alot of provacative hairaising commentary.

    My full response if forthcoming.

    Comment by orangeandblue1 | July 21, 2009 | Reply

  2. ‘Lives’,

    It is good to see that you made it back from Vegas safe. It appears that your trip to Fantasy Land has instilled a greater appreciation for distortion and skillfully avoiding the issue. Could it be you are suffering from jet-lag or you felt the blog needed a new post, and Paul’s misleading response was better than nothing. Paul’s response was typical Paul. Answers delivered in a vacuum with disregard for time, circumstances, or the facts.

    The Frye selection over Bynum discussion, was a greater mistake than Roosta selected over Lopez was never about is Bynum better than Lopez. Frye/Bynum and & Lopez/Roosta were selected in different drafts, under different conditions. Frye was drafted to play power forward on a team that had recently signed a seven-footer (James), and was negotiating to sign another center (Curry). As Isiah was constructing the team, the need was for a power forward to play along with Curry. A guy w/ a face-up game. The Knicks found out later that he was a small forward in a power-forward’s body. Isiah had the right idea, but the wrong players.

    Drafting Roosta-when the team needed a center that could block-shots, get up and down the floor in D’Antoni’s offense, pass out of the double teams, and draw double teams in the to allow for open 3-pointers was a major mistake. The Knicks drafted Wilson Chandler the year before as a small forward (his position), and the previous year Balkman, (another small forward), in addition to having Q-Rich on the team. Unlike J-James, who was injured, and Curry, who hinted that he wanted out, an additional small forward was not needed. In my opinion the only thing that will keep Chandler from being an all-star is playing out of position at the 2, to allow Roost-Ta on the floor. Chandler does not have the instincts, or game of a guard. He is a front-court player. Walsh had the wrong idea and the wrong players. His reinforcement to me that drafting Roost-TA over Lopez was a mistake, was the very next year he drafted a big-man (Hill), to provide the skills that the Knicks miss from their big-men., skills, that Lopez provides. I see this as admitting the mistake from the previous year.

    Paul what baffles me even more than you responding with an answer that does not address the issue, is your statement that Roost-TA will be better on both sides of the ball than Frye. Frye, had a strong rookie season, and made first team all-rookie. His defense was weak, but he could offer weak-side help by blocking shots. Roosta, on the other hand played twenty-something games, had 2-good shooting games, did not rebound or played any defense, but you were able to conclude that he would be better than Frye. Please reveal the evidence of Roost-TA’s greater potential than Frye’s after their rookie season.

    Finally to state that I would put Walsh in a lose-lose situation if he signs Sessions, because of Duhon, is typical Paul dribble. Most fanatics, me included said that signing Duhon last year as the starting point-guard was a mistake. Heck even ‘Lives’ was able to see this mistake. To state and imply that all of a sudden I would judge any attempt to trade or demote Duhon as a mistake, is misleading, when his signing was labeled a mistake. Selecting a point-guard at the end of the first round, and looking to sign a point guard to start, is proof for me that Walsh is admitting that Duhon was a mistake.

    Peace, Blessings & Context

    Comment by Statesman2 | July 21, 2009 | Reply

    • Statesman, well done. Your trademark shifting of the question and working in personal attacks is in full effect here. It may not even be preseason but you are in midseason form!

      We obviously see the function of rookies in the NBA differently. My feeling is that a team in our position for the past decade (late lottery), drafts largely developmental players who will serve only limited roles for the first couple of seasons. The goal is to develop the player in practices & summer times to see whether they are fit to be re-signed when that rookie contract expires, to step up and prove their worth on a larger scale as their skills & athleticism grows.

      You’re taking a more NFL-type approach that speaks to plugging holes on a team immediately by selecting the best player to fill whatever’s needed.

      This distinction is important because i thought the question of Frye/Bynum vs. Gallinari/Lopez was one of ABSOLUTE value. That argument I won, so you have now enlightened me to the fact that you were actually speaking of RELATIVE value.

      But relative value has a mutable definition, depending upon who is defining it. You seem to be focusing on the Year One productivity of incoming rookies, in order to maximize their impact upon the Year One squad’s ability to compete for an NBA title. Is that the case, or do you have some other debate in mind?

      My argument on Gallinari/Frye is based on one primary criterion: aggression. Gallo is aggressive on both sides of the ball, he is competitive in attacking his man on both offense and defense. Frye is laconical, laid back West Coast cool. Both have sweet strokes, length, and can run the floor.

      Finally, it is easy for critics to label things “a mistake”. The challenge is to identify what could have been done instead, without using the increasing returns of hindight to justify the position.

      To wit: what trade was proffered, what free agent could we have signed that was a demonstratably superior move to signing Duhon last year? Given that the 2010 Hope/Change scenario was far more viable at that time than it is now.

      Comment by Paul | July 22, 2009 | Reply

  3. On the issue of Frye vs. Bynum, hindsight tells us that Bynum was the better pick. On the matter of Gallo v. Lopez, one season is insufficient to judge the ultimate potential of either player, especially since Gallo was injured from the start of the Summer League. I believe that that Gallo, assuming he can stay healty, has the potential to mean more to the Knicks than Lopez going forward. I can see the Roosta lighting it up for at least 20 pts per game and his length and court sense will contribute in intangible ways. He must, however, get stronger. Maturity and weight room work will help.

    To shift the topic, I hope the Knicks are serious about going after Ramon Sessions and can work out a deal with the Bucks. He will be a significant upgrade over Duhon, if Duhon is in fact part of the package. I would hope the Knicks can keep Duhon as a back-up and develop Toney Douglas more slowly. In that case the Bucks might work out a trade for N8, Chandler or some combination involving Mobley’s contract and perhaps the Balkman exception. If money is the issue, Buck may also be willing to absorb a one-year expiring contract (hopefully Hughes). If Duhon is part of the deal, Knicks will need a third guard or combo one-two guard as a reserve player, unless N8 can be retained. I would like the Knicks to keep Chandler, but Walsh was presumably willing to move him to Washington for the 5th pick in the draft. If Chandler and N8 go, watching Hughes play the 2 guard all season will be painfully frustrating. Maybe Mo Almond can develop quickly.

    Comment by Post-up Prince | July 21, 2009 | Reply

  4. Post-Up, it could be that our interest in Sessions is a smokescreen. If we do tender an offersheet, it is an admission by MSG that the “TWO-MAX” 2010 scenario is dead and that we now must shift tactics mid-stream.

    i’d prefer to see a Miller/Nate&Dross sign-n-trade deal (one year for Miller at heavy dollars) as it would merely postpone the TWO-MAX post-mortem, but i can get down with the getdown on Sessions because i believe he will boost the market value of guys like Chandler, Hill, Gallo, and maybe even Eddy. i agree retaining Duhon as a backup would be preferable to forcing Douglass into a backup role without him earning the stripes first.

    Why are you hatin on Hughes? Statesman says he’s a “balla”, and we all know that Statesman is never wrong! He sees things in Hughes’ game that are not apparent to the average Knicks fan. So let’s make him a 32-minute a night starter and see what he’s got?

    Comment by Paul | July 22, 2009 | Reply

  5. i think drafting Frye over Bynum was a bigger loss than Gallo over Brooke Lopez.
    Comment by Paul | July 21, 2009

    Post-Up

    I agree that hindsight tells us that Bynum was a better pick than Frye. That is obvious. However as you can see from Paul’s words above, that was not his written, or intended statement. Paul in an attempt to defend Walsh and his transactions to date, was using the “Walsh may be bad but, but Isiah’s moves were worst” defense. This contradicts the “Donnie Knows what he’s doing” slogan. Paul as usual when asked to defend his statement, attempted to move the conversation from “bigger loss” to “who is better” Bynum or Lopez, while using statistics that Lopez accumulated in one year. Most people will tell you that the biggest improvement a player make is between his first and second year. Look at the improvement Bynum made and you will understand what I’m saying. Paul you have to come stronger than that.

    Regarding Gallo & Frye,

    My point was that after Frye’s rookie season (he played over 70 games), most people projected that he would be a solid NBA player, bordering on an all-star at some point in his career. As we know, his career flat-lined, and regressed to now he is considered an end of the bench player, (Ironically I believe Frye would excel in D’Antoni’s finesse system, with the emphasis on the face-up game). However, he showed potential for a full season. Roost-TA playe twenty-something games, looked lost in all but two, and now folks are predicting stardom, or a magnate to draw LeBron. Would you have predicted after his rookie season that Frye would turn out to be a bust? If not then tell me after twenty something games, and two that were productive, what makes you so sure that Roost-TA will have a great career. I ask this question because I once saw LaBradford Smith score 37 points on Michael Jordan and talk trash after the game. Based on that game, I assumed that LaBradford would become a very good player. He was out of the league in two years.

    @Paul,
    You can fool some of the people some of the time but….

    Peace & Blessings

    Comment by Statesman2 | July 22, 2009 | Reply

    • Weak sauce. You didn’t respond to anything i posted. You don’t have any logic, just a collection of catchphrases.

      Peace & blessings.

      Comment by Paul | July 22, 2009 | Reply

      • Paul,

        I re-posted your statement to illustrate who (you) was shifting the discussion. Nice try Paul.

        Peace & Blessings

        Comment by Statesman2 | July 22, 2009

    • “Paul as usual when asked to defend his statement, attempted to move the conversation from “bigger loss” to “who is better” Bynum or Lopez”

      That’s not moving the conversation – I am defining “loss” by a formula of “who is better” plus “projected future production”. From this we can calculate a rough opportunity cost of the two drafts, which can then be subjectively weighed via an “absolute” or “relative” method which i alluded to in my response to your post #2 above.

      What’s your definition of loss?

      Comment by Paul | July 22, 2009 | Reply

  6. TalkBasket.com reports Olympiacos has withdrawn the two-year, $9M offer to Nate Robinson after the point guard refused to travel to Greece. The team also felt Robinson was using them to help him get a better deal from an NBA team.

    Comment by Paul | July 22, 2009 | Reply

    • Seems Like both Nate and Lee find themselves with a smaller contingent of suitors if any at all.

      Note that Portland may make a bid to acquire the services of 76ers Veteran Point Guard Andre Miller.

      Wasn’t that money supposedly earmarked for David Lee, according to the MSM?

      What happens when shrinking players markets meet up with shrinking cap space. It’s time for Lee and Nate to do an ego check!

      Comment by O&B's Ghost | July 22, 2009 | Reply

    • i reckon that’s just lazy reporting the MSM, O&B…..they see that Portland was rebuffed on their offer sheet extended to Millsap, and figured that the Blazers would turn to Lee next.

      Never considering of course that the Blazers might just have been slipping the Jazz a mickey.

      Comment by Paul | July 22, 2009 | Reply

  7. Paul:

    I hope the source from TalkBasket.com is correct. I want the Knicks to keep N8 if possible or at least get something of value for him in a sign and trade. If he were to go to Greece for 2 years, Knicks would own his NBA rights but would get nothing except some salary cap relief in return.

    Comment by Post-up Prince | July 22, 2009 | Reply

    • i know! I find it hard to believe that Nate doesn’t have value in this league. He had stretches where he was completely unguardable last year!

      Sure, he ain’t much on defense but he does at least consistently outproduce his opponent, and in an entertaining fashion to boot. He also has gone to the Jamal Crawford School of Media Savvy Cliches, and has not been troublesome or controversial at all. You would think he would be a draw for teams struggling to sell tickets or compete in a small market.

      i am concerned that we don’t value him much, either. I wish someone would ask Walsh directly, on the record, WHO offered WHOM the long-simmering Nate/JJ for KThomas salary dump trade, because at this point i would gladly accept that as a consolation prize.

      We gotta get something for him, at the very least another year of entertaining play in D’Antoni’s system under the qualifying offer.

      Walsh still playing footsies with Portland over who’s zooming who on the point guard tip. Walsh is waiting for Portland to jump first (presumably via offer to Andre Miller, so that Walsh can counter with an offer sheet to Sessions). The difficulty there is that Portland doesn’t have two restricted FA’s clamoring for action, like Walsh does. Who’s gonna blink first?

      I don’t blame Walsh for trying to stare down those java-sippin’, rose-sniffin’ mouthbreathers working for Mr. Allen. Can’t trust ’em!

      Comment by Paul | July 22, 2009 | Reply

      • via RealGM:

        Brandon Tierney Show: Said Knicks are looking at 4 years, while Sessions’s camp wants 5. Said it is really all about the money. Said Clippers are still into the running. Said doesn’t know what will happen.

        Comment by Paul | July 22, 2009

  8. Paul

    Do you have any idea why one year between the Knicks camp and Ramon Session is such a sticking point?

    Comment by orangeandblue1 | July 22, 2009 | Reply

    • That’s just rumor, not fact.

      But…..i’d say that: 1) 5 years is a long time to project the future value of a guy who has only one year of solid minutes – and was not the full time starter, and 2) it’s not clear that the Knicks are bidding against anyone.

      i think ultimately Donnie knuckles under, and is just leaking this dithering to mess with Milwaukee & Portland’s front offices a bit.

      Comment by Paul | July 22, 2009 | Reply

  9. Don’t worry guys….Donnie knows what hes doing!LMAO

    Comment by Peaceman | July 22, 2009 | Reply

    • I’m guessing we lose out on both Sessions and Miller.

      Peaceman,has Donnie figured out.

      Comment by DLTKnicks | July 22, 2009 | Reply

    • You’re on the wrong track, Peaceman….it’s the moves which make the executive, not the other way around.

      Comment by Paul | July 23, 2009 | Reply

  10. That’s not moving the conversation – I am defining “loss” by a formula of “who is better” plus “projected future production”. From this we can calculate a rough opportunity cost of the two drafts, which can then be subjectively weighed via an “absolute” or “relative” method which i alluded to in my response

    “who is better” plus “projected future production”.

    (Bynum(B) – Frye(F) ) > Lopez(L) – (Roost-TA® ) + PFP

    This formula/equation cannot be solved or determined at this point due to the number of unknowns. The only known is Frye’s PFP. Bynum’s ceiling and ability to stay healthy (affects his PFP), Lopez’s PFP after an impressive Rookie year is unlimited, and Roost-TA ‘s ceiling after only two impressive games and history of injuries, appears limited. In fact Lopez’s out of the three, is the only 1 to contribute significant minutes for an entire season. Injuries will affect your PFP.

    Bynum’s ceiling was lowered after two years of sub-par performances in the playoffs. In addition his team played better when he was NOT on the floor as opposed to when he was on the floor. Bynum has yet to show that he can play a full season contributing major minutes in the NBA without suffering a season-long injury. PFP trending down.

    Lopez’s production should increase with the removal of Vince Carter and the Nets transitioning from being a perimeter-oriented team, to a more balanced inside and out team, featuring Lopez and Devin Harris. Lopez should show a significant improvement to his impressive rookie numbers that were obtained over an entire season. PFP is trending up.

    Roost-TA–had two games of impressive shooting, a bit premature to project how good he can become. Frye’s PFP after 1-year would have been extremely high, and later proven to be inaccurate. Roost-TA’s failed to show the ability to rebound or the quickness to defend in any game. Roost-TA’s projected stardom/ceiling has been extrapolated from a skillful marketing campaign from the Knicks organization and the MSM, but not based on productivity on the floor. PFP is flat at best.

    Rough Opportunity Cost: Although opportunity cost can be quantified, they are highly subjective, and rarely absolute. In this case you must also factor in will not having a low-post threat and shot-blocker effect the free agents in 2010. LeBron encouraged the Cavs to acquire Shaq because he realized to win a title he needed someone to patrol the middle. Not drafting Lopez when your stated game plan was 2010 could be huge!

    My conclusion is that t Bynum is better than Frye, but it is too early LOGICALLY to determine the “bigger lost” due to the unknowns.

    Peace, Blessings, & Logic

    Comment by Statesman2 | July 23, 2009 | Reply

    • Great reply Statesman, thanks!

      Looks like we are giving up on Sessions.

      Former assistant coach Michael Malone is stepping up in Cavs-land and becoming Mike Brown’s lead assistant after Dumars signed away Kuester to be the Pistons’ head man. Malone is the son of longtime Knicks coach Brendan Malone, and was pretty far down the Wilkens/Chaney depth chart IIRC.

      Good for him. Herb Williams must be rolling his eyes, and wondering if he should dispatch a resume to Larry Bird, cuz he’ll clearly not advance any further in NYC.

      LMAO at Nate declining the Greek offer a day after Olympiakos formally pulled it. It’s that whole “Nah man, i broke up with HER!” argument. Nate probably signs a one year deal. i do know that if it’s just the qualifying offer, his “cap hold” for 2010 is like triple his Q.O. salary, about $7M. i don’t know if that multiplier would come into effect though, if he were to sign a one year, $5M contract. Paging Larry Coon! =)

      Comment by Paul | July 23, 2009 | Reply

  11. Paul:

    If Knicks are giving up on Sessions, that is sad. He is the best point guard with an upside available–better to build with than either Miller or Tinsley. Another team ) will soon lock him up and he would only become available via a more expensive trade in the future. I preferred Sessions over all the potential point guards available in this year’s NBA draft, including Rubio, Flynn, and Jennings. He showed more in one season than most of the 1st year players at the point, with the exception of No 1 Derrick Rose.

    I do not understand what Walsh is doing. The 2010 fantasy dream team will not materialize if 2009 is a total disaster, as well as not having a 1st round draft choice (a likely lottery pick) to start with, and no playoff experience to improve upon. Why would an elite player come to N.Y. to play out their career in that environment. Dangling offers to has been’s like Kidd, Hill and perhaps Tinsley for one-year rentals tells other players that you will be discarded as soon as possible and don’t expect to be rewarded for good performance. The current team identity (which for me included Lee, N8 and Chandler) may not be there. [Remember that Chandler was offered for the 5th pick in the draft]. What team will open the training camp?

    Comment by Post-up Prince | July 23, 2009 | Reply

    • All good points, Prince. We gotta wait and see. i agree with you on Sessions, and certainly his position has been strengthened by the Kidd/Nash extensions and also by Jennings’ strong showing in the summer league.

      But not a single team has yet tendered him an offer sheet. Not one.

      Keep in mind that Sessions has not indicated that he would even sign a full 5-year midlevel. Maybe Chubby Wells has seen the top pending free agent points already re-up, and thinks maybe the smart play for Ramon is to take the qualifying offer and maybe score big with all that cap space teams are hoarding for 2010. He *might* be the best available point.

      Of course, Sessions will have to apply himself on the defensive end to keep Jennings & Ridnour off the court. If i were in Ramon’s shoes I would insist on the full five year midlevel now….someone’s gotta offer it, right? Right??? Bueller??? Anyone???

      If i were Tinsley, NY would be the LAST place i look to go. Jamaal is the one player in the NBA who is most likely to sympathize with Stephon Marbury’s situation last year. Besides, i wouldn’t want him anyway, he’s a poor fit for this club.

      I don’t think other players are looking into Walsh’s posturing this year as being repeatable moving forward. We won’t be in short-term rental and dump mode for very long, it is just the dose of castor oil we need to help evacuate our ill contracts and get back to a balanced squad. Undertalented, sure….but NYC with cap room will not stay undertalented for very long, trust me.

      Jason Williams is newly on the market though as an unrestricted FA. Just sayin’. He’d actually probably be pretty good in a SSOL offense.

      Then we could trade Chandler & Jeffries for Mike Miller and a pick. Dudes would lose their fucking minds, LOL!

      Darko / Lee / Gallo / Miller / White Chocolate. I’d have to recalibrate my television to get the contrast right on MSG broadcasts.

      We’d have to run the picket fence at least once in an endgame situation. =)

      Comment by Paul | July 23, 2009 | Reply

      • Paul,

        Your vanilla team is killing me.LMAO!

        Comment by DLTKnicks | July 23, 2009

    • Post-up Prince,

      The fantasy is dead.Most of us know that.Unless LBJ had a private conversation with Walsh and promised him he would be in Orange and Blue with his buddy DWade in 2010.Most of us don’t believe in the 2010 dream.The problem with “part 2” of the fantasy(Bosh,Johnson,Amare,Dirk) is that you don’t know who to build your team around.If you sign a superstar PF why should we draft a PF now.What position does this superstar play?

      You are right,Sessions would be a good building piece for the future.With Chandler,Nilo,Sessions,Hill,Douglas,N8 and Lee,we would have a solid very young core for the future.We would only need to add a player or 2 more when Curry and Jeffries’ contracts are up in 2011 to make this team solid contentors again.

      I don’t mind waiting IF(and that’s a big if)we are building and not living in a fantasy dream.

      Let’s go Knicks…….and I mean go now!!!!

      Comment by DLTKnicks | July 23, 2009 | Reply

  12. Yo SAL…put some Mothafu*king Brothers up on the wall~
    ROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

    Comment by Peaceman | July 23, 2009 | Reply

  13. Man, why can’t I have this caliper blogging on my site?
    Good stuff guys, please help out the Fixers!

    Comment by Alan Hahn | July 23, 2009 | Reply

  14. Report: Knicks Near 5-Year Offer To Sessions

    Jul 23, 2009 8:59 PM EST
    Sources tell WAOW in Wisconsin that the Knicks are ready to offer Ramon Sessions a five-year contract.

    With a first-season salary around $5.8 million, the Knicks would be using all or nearly all of their mid-level exception.

    The Bucks would have seven days to match the offer sheet or let Sessions join the Knicks.

    Comment by DLTKnicks | July 23, 2009 | Reply

  15. @ Hahn,
    I had them before you were BORN!
    They need to help the Daily News First.
    Damn..I admitt I miss Isiah Thomas!

    Comment by Frank Isola | July 23, 2009 | Reply

  16. Screw both of you! They need to return to the Post!

    Comment by Marc Berman | July 23, 2009 | Reply

  17. Screw you Berman,Hahn and Isola!
    My sincere regrets, this is for you fanatics

    Comment by Knicksdefense | July 23, 2009 | Reply

  18. You guys are Nutts!!!!!

    Comment by DLTKnicks | July 23, 2009 | Reply

  19. KD, I love that song.

    You’re “Doing The Right Thing.”

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | July 23, 2009 | Reply

  20. DLT:

    Hope those sources in Wisconsin are right regarding a Knicks offer to Sessions. I’ve been screaming for Sessions ever since lottery in which the Knicks placed where expected, the 8th spot. A five year deal for Sessions for a total of approximately 29 million is one that Milwaukee might not match and the Knicks would have to little compensation (the Mobley contract); they might then be able to keep Duhon as a backup and gradually develop Tony D.

    If they get Sessions, I very much like the team you suggested. Sessions at the point, Chandler and Nilo shifting between the 2 and 3, Darko (Curry for a half-season) in the middle; Lee as the power forward.
    N8, Hill and Jeffries could provide energy off the bench and Duhon or Douglas would spell Sessions, and Hughes
    could also be used at the 2. As the trade deadline approaches, they could perhaps move Curry and/or Jeffries, and even Hughes (his contract expires after 09), and try to get a 1st round draft choice or if nothing else some substantial cap space to buy an elite performer in 2010. The above team could be real and exciting with youth and upside potential going forward. They might even make a run at the playoffs in 09. Now that’s my fantasy.

    Comment by Post-up Prince | July 23, 2009 | Reply

    • Walsh indeed has to play and win at times in the off season signing game.

      The butterfly flapping it’s wings in clueless chases for past their peek vets Grant Hill and Jason Williams made to clubs in transition pony up for longer terms and a higher salary cap portion than they would have wanted to have put out.

      Consider that both Amare and Nowiztki hit the 2010 free agent market and that feeble and futile Knicks butterfly flapping its wings has just had an effect on it’s rivals bottom line.

      Now with the signing of session the butterfly no longer flutters perhaps it is now an eagle soaring from the skies to grab a young player who may be able to help the Waldotoni regime bolster the play of veritable albatrosses Curry and Jefferies while obtaining higher and more efficient yields for the Knicks current crop of talent.

      Stay in the game and come out with an offseason W Donnie!

      Comment by orangeandblue1 | July 24, 2009 | Reply

  21. NY Times, BEIJING — With 1.3 billion potential fans, China is increasingly seen as a financial promised land for N.B.A. stars through endorsement deals, and the league itself has established a robust organization here valued at $2 billion.(Way to go David.You’ve invested in the greatest counterfitters of American technology and goods in the world.You’ve picked perfect partners)

    But China’s own professional league, the Chinese Basketball Association, has hardly enjoyed a smooth ascendance alongside this country’s basketball boom. American players and agents describe broken contracts, unpaid wages, suspicions of game-fixing( think you’ve had problems with game fixing in Vegas, just wait!) and rising resentment toward foreign players. Several players have left China after failing to receive paychecks. Last month, the league announced that it lost $17 million last season, which ended in May.

    Liu recently told Beijing Youth Daily that because of increased expenses from the C.B.A.’s expanded schedule, “the operation of the league and clubs are both in danger.”

    The N.B.A. is undoubtedly watching these developments with interest. It has created an operation here that involves marketing partnerships, merchandising and events. Companies including Bank of China and ESPN invested $253 million to acquire a stake in the N.B.A. endeavor. The N.B.A. is also involved with building 12 basketball arenas in China.

    “I’m not aware of cheating, but we’re not involved with it,” said David Stern, the commissioner of the N.B.A. “That’s totally 100 percent under control of the C.B.A., and they’ve made it clear they’d like to keep it that way.(Ho, ho, ho’)”

    The Chinese league also faces allegations by its players that teams have reneged on contracts or failed to pay salaries.

    Many former N.B.A. players were lured to China by six-figure salaries, in addition to free meals, lodging and family visits. Local players, by contrast, earn about $14,000 a season.

    Faced with ballooning budgets and bleak championship prospects, some owners chose to throw in the towel, leaving imports unpaid and abandoned.

    Welcome to another throwaway season for the league, except for the playoffs.They should be greater, with stronger comp at the top.Survival is the aim for the weaker teams, and the only players with ultimate leverage will make their money, welcome to survival of the fittest.The Knicks seem to still be be aimed at 2010 and will be definitely fishing then for big game.Don’t be surprised if they get it, money, money, money, money!.But this season is for the suckers who will let blind loyalty guide them.You know those guys, the ones who lead with their hearts, us.The strong teams have gotten stronger, San Antone, Orlando, LA, the C’s, The Cleavers,, the weaklings, us again are treading bullshyte.Lee at 12 mil, in these times, is a joke, and if N8 gave up a guaranteed 10 mil for two anywhere he’s fallen on his head one to many times. The Knick’s new rooks will be lucky to be solid journeymen in two years,.Bottom line, only extreme D will prevent a death march.Lose Mike No’D, hire Dan Some’D.Milli and Danilli better be better than advertised, this isn’t that Euro-CYO shyte they like to play.They’ll have to man-up or head for home.It’s going to be a very tough year.But the dream is still alive.Someone will take our money eventually.LGK

    Comment by Tman | July 24, 2009 | Reply

  22. Daily News, “Lee had a career year last season, leading the league in double-doubles. However in Lee’s four seasons, the Knicks have never won more than 33 games. Although Mike D’Antoni strongly favors re-signing Lee, there are others in the organization who feel Lee’s production last season was a product of D’Antoni’s up-tempo system. Also, those same officials are not convinced that Lee can be a top three player on a playoff team, hence their reluctance to meet his contract demands.” That about says it all, yawn!The Lakers, Sac, Portland, et al. love Nate.Trade him for J. Farmer.Duhon needs help, not replacement.He was overworked by a desperate dumbass.

    Comment by The seer in the beer | July 24, 2009 | Reply

  23. Lee’s still clinging hard as hell to that eight figure dream, it can’t be just his agent, his girlfriend & his Mom telling him he’s worth it. Some other team’s GM must be spitting poison in his ear, messin with us.

    With Sessions, it’s kinda fun to watch the jockeying. We say we’re not interested anymore…so Portland indicates they’re close to offering a deal to Miller. Philly withdraws their deal to Miller. Now suddenly we’re back on with Sessions again.

    Now Jason Williams is a FA in seven days. Meanwhile, Donnie knows it might take seven days to draw out Portland’s true intentions, so he throws the media and fans some fresh meat to stall them by bringing in Von Wafer for a visit, as a candidate for the $2M biannual exception. He also intends to play footsies with Jamaal Tinsley, a move which baffled me until i read that Walsh was the guy who signed him & also gave him the redonkulous extension that just got bought out.

    i ain’t feelin Tinsley’s game, personally.

    Word is Walsh is pumping the idea of a one year $6M to Lee (“it’s more than double to qualifying offer!”). Nate presumably would then warrant less. This would preserve the Bird rights in 2010 and also keep their cap hold figures far lower than the qualifying offers would.

    Meanwhile, Bruce Ratner has stopped fronting on the Brooklyn thing – word is that he’s looking to get out & sell the team. LeBron in Brooklyn was plausible, but LeBron in Jersey i just can’t see.

    Finally, just to muddy the situation a little further, Jonathan Givony twitters, “if the Knicks miss on both Sessions and Andre Miller they are going to go after Pablo Prigioni.” (Argentina’s thirtysomething point guard)

    Comment by Paul | July 24, 2009 | Reply

  24. You got a very good website, Sword lily I discovered it through yahoo.

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