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(This post is in response to a question by Prince (Comment #18, previous thread) regarding Jason William’s potential salary with the Knicks.  I hope it helps.   Special  thanks to DLT for adding info to the discussion.)

Jason Williams signed a one-year contract as a free agent with the Clippers on  August 8, 2008 after spending three years with the Miami Heat where he won a championship ring with Shaq and DWade.   On September 26th, Williams retired, apparently unwilling to move his family from Miami to Los Angeles in order to play for a perennial loser.  Clipper coach Mike Dunleavy waxed flippantly about William’s retirement before training camp.  Dunleavy said  “He’s from West Virginia. He could be like Brett Favre. And a month from now he could want to play again.”

Jason did attempt to unretire prior to the trading deadline in February 2008.  A player can return from retirement, before the end of the mandatory one-year waiting period, only by unanimous consent of all NBA teams.  Six teams voted against William’s early  return. described the rejection as follows:

“The six teams that voted against letting Williams return this season, as revealed to all 30 teams via league memo, were Atlanta, Chicago, Houston, Minnesota, San Antonio and the Clippers themselves, who would have regained exclusive rights to the 33-year-old had he been reinstated. One suggested motivation for teams blocking Williams’ return is the assumption that he would have quickly parted ways with L.A. after reinstatement and signed with a playoff contender for this season’s stretch run.”

When he retired, Williams reportedly forfeited his salary, the league minimum, which was $1,262,275 in 2008-2009.  In 1oo7-2008, he earned $8,937,572 with the Miami Heat.   This season  Williams could be signed for the minimum salary of  $1,306,455 (Larry Coon’s CBA FAQ, query #11).  If Williams agrees to a one-year contract with the Knicks, the Knicks should actually be entitled to additional savings, since the leaue pays for the portion of the veteran’s salary above $825,497 (the two-year vet minimum) in order to encourage teams to sign older vets.

A MSM report incorrectly stated that the Knicks “won” the rights to negotiate with Williams when he was claimed off the waiver wire.  This is absolutely incorrect.  The way that the waiver works is that after the player is released, any team may claim him off waivers but the player is automatically awarded to the claimant-team with the worst record.  No team with a worse record claimed Williams.

According to Larry Coon, the Knicks, if they are above the cap, can sign Williams only if the team has a disabled players or traded players exception or if the contract to be signed is a one or two year contract at the league minimum (the minimum salary exception).  (See Coon’s query #54).  There is no mention that the bi-annual exception can or needs to be used in this instance, since the minimum salary exception is always available if a team is over the cap.

The question I don’t have time to address at this minute is whether Jason Williams must sign an agreement with the team that has claimed him off waivers if he does not have a contract.  I noted that he was scheduled, before he was claimed off waivers, to appear for a workout with the Memphis Grizzlies where he played for four years. If I find some time today, I will check the CBA for the definitive answer.


I don’t understand how anyone can think that Jason Williams is a replacement for Nate Robinson. Forget the prospective salaries which are millions apart.  Physically and athletically, Jason Williams and Nate Robinson are miles apart.  They don’t even play the same position or the same position similarly.  Furthermore, Jason Williams has been out for a full season and will be no more than a competent back-up, who might be fortunate to get off the bench in D’Antoni’s rotation (remember Roberson’s fate) unless Hughes or Duhon are traded.  Williams is most likely to be behind Toney Douglas and Hughes in the depth charts.  Furthermore, expect Jeffries and Gallo to play some point forward.  Does the MSM remember that D’Antoni’s offense requires superb conditioning?  Williams and Robinson are two separate issues from what I see.  What do you think?

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  1. RT @ thenyknicks. Who will we play opening night @ The Garden? The 2009-10 @thenyknicks schedule release is almost here (1:00pm/ET). Stay tuned. #nykschedule

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | August 4, 2009 | Reply

    • Philly is our first home game.

      Comment by DLTKnicks | August 4, 2009 | Reply

  2. Hey Admin,
    Here are some other sub-plots/(base)Head-lines that the Scriptologists are following:

    Gallo-Lee-Darko-White Chocolate and the Changing Face of the KNICKERbockers.

    Championship on a Dime and the Sell-off at Cablevision.

    Operation 20/10 and the Expulsion of Randolph, Lee AND Technic(AL) Harrington.

    As the Fanatics await for GM Turtle D to reveal the Plan A/B/C/D or F, you are all invited to submit your own (base)Head-lines to help ease the Dog Days of Summer.

    Steady Blogin,

    Comment by Steady | August 4, 2009 | Reply

    • Steady,

      I like your “All-Bright” team,but you need a shooting guard.I think Cleveland did not resign Wally.

      Just pass on the credit for the “Turtle” nickname.

      DLT as it goes….lol

      Please don’t hurt ’em.

      Comment by DLTKnicks | August 4, 2009 | Reply

      • DLT,
        Double fist pump on the Turtle D. ROFLMAO
        Naming the All-Bright Team (with Wally) was a touch of blogenius.

        Steady Love for The KNICKERbockers (LOL)

        Comment by Steady | August 4, 2009

  3. Fanatics,

    I saw “White Chocolate” last season in the NBA and he was a busta. What could the Knicks get in a trade for a washed-up never was? The trade chip is a smoke screen. He is signed to play at the Garden.

    If you are going to have a losing product, why not have one that the fans will relate to. The Knicks are appealing to the fans lowest instinct. Race

    Never again will the MSM or fans refer to the changing Knicks as 1)lazy 2)dumb 3)thugs. White ballas never have low IQ(see Anderson at Denver) thugs(how many tatoos does Wms. have. Only in America.

    Peace & Blessings

    Comment by Statesman2 | August 4, 2009 | Reply

    • S2,
      The NBA Ballers call him White Chocolate. He had a killa crossovah that used to bust many ankles back inna day. Still, those remarks by Dunleavy are testament of the great race and class divide in the USA. You say only in America but I can think of a few other spots in the world where this lunacy prevails.

      Steady blogin,

      Comment by Steady | August 5, 2009 | Reply

      • Steady,

        I’m not talking about what he used to have,…I talking about what he got. There are a lot of “usedtohaves”.
        Have not seen Dunleavy comments, but it does appear that Walsh and Bird are using the same plan.

        Look for the players to say “Uncle” early in the potential labor disputes. IF Eddy Curry, Antoine Walker, & Shaq(expenses $800gs/month) are examples, then these high-paid players are two-paychecks away from being broke. What a shame.

        Peace & Blessings

        Comment by Statesman2 | August 5, 2009

  4. Bring back Shawn Bradley…. as MSG annouces Ladies and Gentilemen…………..
    meet your 2009 Brigham Young New York Knicks…
    with no Knickers.

    Comment by Peaceman | August 4, 2009 | Reply

    • Peace,
      Not only will they hide the Knickers a la Starburried, they will go to Sire Liberty.
      As I look at your Scriptoball, I’m dumbfounded by []’Anfony accepting to have his record denigrated by taking on these losses. I sould have understood having them ung on IT and/or Herb but Mike is a good ol’ boy. Don’t tell me its the West VA boy done good in the city lights $$$cript.

      Steady as IT goes,

      Comment by Steady | August 5, 2009 | Reply

  5.’s done it once more! Great article.

    Comment by Ross Ackerman | May 28, 2010 | Reply

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