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Did Rubio Con A Kahn Or Was Minnie Marburied Again? Part 2 of 3


From a business standpoint, Rubio has brought nothing new to the world of sports. Like picky athlete’s before him – Eli Manning, Brian Bosworth, John Elway and Jay Cutler come to mind  (should Rubio be playing football instead? O.K. throw in Steve Francis.) – Rubio had big league, big market dreams shared by his parents and advisors. 

Rubio is an 18 year-old kid who thought the time was right to make a move to the bigger league.  He believed the hype and anticipated that he would go very, very high in the 2009 draft.  He had advised DKV Joventut, which launched his career at 14 with a onerous five-year contract, that he did not want to play for them anymore and that he planned to do a remake of “Coming To America,” Euroleague style.  Thus, after the draft, buyout negotiations began in earnest although Rubio always gave a sense (check his tweets) that he was outside the loop of such discussions and at the mercy of DKV Joventut. 

Now we know the buyout itself was never prohibitive, only challenging because DKV Joventut had intended to let Rubio go once he asked out.  It was just a matter of how they were getting most of their buyout figure in return for his release.

Rubio Math MagicRubio himself had stated that he would play in the NBA even if the buyout netted him $0 for a couple of years.  Sure he was just talking smack.  But it didn’t matter how disingenuous his bravado was because before the draft he and his advisors  thought he would make (or find) enough money for a buyout.

When Rubio entered the draft before the lottery selection, he thought he would go higher (2-4) than the 5th spot. His camp also indicated that it intended to exercise its leverage to urge certain small-market teams not to apply for Rubio’s services.  Rubio indicated that he did not intend to go to Memphis nor the Wizards who initially held the 5th spot.

Many of the reputable draftniks had suggested Rubio would go 2d instead of Thabeet. There were also rumors that the New York Knicks would maneuver into position to grab Rubio.  One such rumor had Wilson Chandler in a dog-sled and Rubio on top of the Empire State Building auditioning for “High School Musical 12” as Zach Effron’s understudy. It didn’t hurt that when the Wizards traded the 5th spot to Minnesota, Rubio did not embrace Minnie as a future home either.

Lucille Ball copyRubio was so confident about going in the top four that he initially refused to attend workouts with the other top guards, including his bud Brandon Jennings, who warned the world that Rubio was all-hype and no game, before he took back the honest slight.  Rubio’s refusals and his eventual workout, alone with the Kings, also heightened concern that he was not prepared for the rigors and competition of the NBA (a fact he seems to admit after the fact; some would call that a chump move. Score one for Jennings.).

After the draft, Rubio’s dad made it clear that his son was not going to play in Minnesota anytime soon. “Right now Ricky is likely staying in Europe one or two years,” the father said.  “We have to talk to the people in Minnesota and see what happens” and “we could be in Minnesota or somewhere else.”

Ricky and Team Rubio probably did not anticipate that Kahn and Minnesota would work so hard to get the fifth pick and that he would fall that far.  He also didn’t seem to believe that the Wolves would actually reach an agreement with DKV Joventut to accelerate Rubio’s transition to the NBA.  It was clearly a miscalculation on Team Rubio’s part because money was never the real problem after he bid DKV farewell.

As Chris Sheridan pointed out, even in Minnesota Rubio would be able to afford a mutually agreeable buyout: “The Timberwolves’ offer, which could include only $500,000 in cash under NBA rules, would presumably have revenue streams from Rubio’s endorsement deals and his four-year, $15.2 million NBA rookie-scale contract ($3.27 million salary in 09-10, $3.51 million in ’10-11, with team options for $3.76 million in ’11-12 and $4.76 million in ’12-13).”

Despite the financial limitations, Kahn spent the summer crafting a deal that was acceptable to all parties. Rubio agreed to the arrangement that would make him an NBA baller at 18, but then reneged on his agreement with Minnesota.  In a statement, the corporate board of DKV Joventut said,

Yesterday, after a big effort from the two parties, DKV Joventut and Minnesota Timberwolves reached an agreement which permitted to terminate the contractual relationship between the player and the Club and his integration in the NBA team.
In front of this situation and in contradiction with what he has been saying to us and to Timberwolves´ representatives from time to time, the player has announced the decision that he wants to be transferred to FC Barcelona.
From a very beginning, never at our own initiative, we have been receptive and we have negotiated with maximum respect and clarity with everybody, accepting that the player wants to leave and that we should find the best suitable solution.

Kahn knew his chances of getting Rubio this season were slim, but it was his job to make a serious effort since Rubio indicated he would be interested in joining the Wolves immediately.  In a teleconference after Rubio reneged Kahn revealed his plan and the process:

On the night of the draft, I explained that the decision to draft Ricky was not difficult – that he was 18, the youngest player in the draft, and we were a building team that could wait for him. Nothing has changed. When we received signals from Ricky this summer that he was considering accelerating his path to the NBA and joining us sooner, we threw ourselves into this process willingly and energetically, including meeting with Joventut on four separate occasions.

Kahn clearly felt emotionally burned after putting so much time and effort into bringing Rubio to the states.  Still, Kahn would not throw his asset under the front wheels of the bus. Based on Kahn’s statement alone it is difficult to tell whether he actually thought Rubio was just a kid under pressure, a business Decepticon using the Wolves or just an outright liar:

"On Saturday night, an agreement was reached between Dan Fegan, the agent for Ricky Rubio, Jordi Villacampa, the president of Joventut Badalona, and myself on behalf of the Minnesota Timberwolves to buy out the last two years of Ricky´s contract with Joventut so that he could play in the NBA next season.

While the term sheet was being finalized Monday night, Ricky informed me that, despite considering us his first option the previous weekend – and, admittedly, after some back and forth throughout the summer — he preferred to stay at home to play for FC Barcelona, which earlier this summer had made a buyout offer to Joventut. He also reaffirmed that it was his intention to join us in Minnesota two years from now when he will be 20.

Statements attributed to Rubio don’t help clarify whether his true position is to avoid the Timberwolves and the Minnesota cold at all costs or to really play for Rambis as Jonny Flynn’s and Ramon Session’s back-up in two years.  He seems to talk out of both sides of his mouth, in two languages to two different audiences.

Immediately after his change of heart, Rubio released the following statement:

"The reason leading me to take this next step is to have a period of preparation to better take the challenge of the NBA in better conditions as a player. The Minnesota Timberwolves continue to be my first option and I wish to play with them in the near future."

Later, when speaking to the spanish press, Rubio indicated that he had several reasons for not joining the Wolves, at least one of which contradicted Kahn’s and DKV Joventut’s statements:

"Going to Minnesota would have just complicated my life a lot. It was a risk and I didn’t see it so clearly," Rubio said. "My priority was the NBA and it was impossible for the Minnesota Timberwolves to pay my buyout clause, so I wanted to stay home." reported that Rubio really wanted to stay connected to home at this point and that he wanted to develop as a player and win trophies, which was less likely in Minnesota.  But, the American press quoted him as saying “I won’t lie, My objective has always been the NBA.”

A wise old Latina woman once said, if you must start the sentence off with “’I won’t lie,’ you’re probably hiding something.” For Knicks fans, it is easy to imagine, with the help of those who need camouflage for poor planning (i.e., the Knicks), that Rubio will find a way not to play in Minnesota in two years.  The NBA is clearly not his objective this year, nor is Minnesota.  So wisely, Walsh has immediately placed his marketing chips back on the Rubio table.

While he knows that a lot can happen in two years – like the Knicks could have a settled backcourt, Sessions could get traded to make room for Rubio, or Kahn could trade Rubio’s rights for a 2010 first rounder –  Walsh can make sure the Knicks are in a position to help Rubio help him, if that becomes an option.  For now, Walsh will have two years to monitor the situation and to constantly call his protégé with new trade proposals.

But one must remember that this is not football or futbol.  The business-game is NBA basketball shortly before an anticipated Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) fight. NBA history suggests that Kahn is in a superior position to Rubio and Walsh and that he may have played this situation perfectly. 


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Next: Kahn’s Move For Rubio – A Classic Gambit

Previous Related Posts:

Did Rubio Con A Kahn or Was Minnie Marburied Again? Part 1 of 3

Chapter One Of Rubio Buyout Story Coming To A Close

Timberwolves GM Refutes Story Of Rubio Contract: “No Team in any league has reached a deal.”

Rubio Reportedly Will Sign Six-Year Contract With Regal Barcelona

Fanatics Pre-Draft Scouting Report: Ricky Rubio


Brandon Jennings says F*ck the Knicks and Chris Duhon Ain’t Gettin it Done

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  1. Great comments in the previous thread. Glad to hear that alternative voice Cooley. Post-Up, please don’t give up on the Knicks. We need you here to cry through the year with. (But maybe Douglas, Gallo, Robinson, Chandler and Lee will give us something to be joyous about)

    I hope you guys are enjoying this beautiful day. Time for me to go school supply shopping. I’ll check in later tonight.

    BTW, I’m loving my photoshop more and more everyday. LOL.

    Oh, Peace. Stop whining about Rubio. He is scheduled to be a Knick OPP target and diversion (just like LBJ) for the next two years. Get accustomed to it.

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 6, 2009 | Reply

    • Lives:

      You need worry not, I’m not leaving, just venting. I too will need the comraderie and fellowship of this site to see me through the forthcoming season, where we may win less than 20 games and qualify for a high lottery pick, only to watch in despair as Utah makes the selection.

      If as you say Rubio will be a Knick topic for the next two years, then Heri at Hahn’s site will do his utmost to post Rubio comments every day, sometimes 3 times a day and several of the more rational “Fixers” will be so fed up that they will seek relief, find us and becomea Fanatics. Hahn may be compelled to ban Heri well before that happens. LOL.

      Comment by Post-up Prince | September 6, 2009 | Reply

  2. Lives,

    Nice investigatory set thus far. Other than conjecture as to how he “may” or “Could” end up as a Knick as a result of this situation, (in two years time,maybe, I’ll add), what does this series have to do with the Knicks?

    On the other hand I got drunk on alot of Koolaid and caught a glimpse of a vision of beauty, namely that the Minnesotta acquisition of Ramon Sessions is part of a tacit but uber secret agreement between Kahn and Walsh to help bring Sessions to New York,… the pieces are still being worked out but you’ll soon here candy Hahn and his like in the koolaid blogs talk about how the Minny connection of Walsh in NY will bring Sessions in. Patience it’s all about Patience.

    OBTW, the I woke up!

    Comment by orangeandblue1 | September 6, 2009 | Reply

  3. “Don’t push me cause I’m close to the edge; I’m trying not to lose my head huh, huh, huh, huh…It makes wonder sometimes why I keep from going under…”

    Got many blessings flowing on the Cooley shores and way too thankful to sweat a situation I don’t control. I’m a Fan, no more, no less… The back and forth is great, and there is no doubt LIVES is on to something in his second edition of the Pretty Ricky Saga. Due to Cause & Effect, SELFISHNESS is seldom lauded or rewarded; but in a Capitalistic Scenario GREED IS GOOD…Inherently that can only be a temporary victory.

    Good to read you brothers and I always enjoy the fellowship, But Cooleyhigh is FAN of many things, and I’m going to continue on my journey of ENJOYING those things too… I’ll deal with the Knicks in due time.

    BRONX BOMBERS BABY! See you fellas in NYC for Playoff game… GMEN Baby!!! Brand new season and I can’t wait…
    Loving the ONE YOU’RE WITH, PRICELESS, and I Gotta Bounce!

    One Love!

    Keep it CRACKIN!

    Comment by Cooleyhigh | September 6, 2009 | Reply

    • Worth repeating,

      “. . .but in a Capitalistic Scenario GREED IS GOOD…Inherently that can only be a temporary victory.”

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 7, 2009 | Reply

  4. […]…There were also rumors that the New York Knicks would maneuver into position to grab Rubio. When the Wizards traded the 5th spot to Minnesota, Rubio did not embrace Minnie as a future home. Rubio was so confident at going in the top … […]

    Pingback by What others have been saying about new york knicks « maryadams | September 6, 2009 | Reply

  5. Fanatics,

    Not since “Vanilla Ice” has someone received so much attention for doing so little. WTF—Am I missing something Fanatics. The Rubio diversion keeps everyone away from the reality of the situation…The Big acquisition of the summer is ……….DARKO, The guy that’s failed everywhere else. The draf picks are spotty at best. Doing nothing is doing something. Standing still while others are moving means that you are losing ground. This Rubio talk is similar to CNN’s infatuation with Thriller. There isn’t much new, but hell people continue to watch.

    I guess it is either talk Rubio or Harrington. Rubio or Hughes, Rubio or Duhon, Rubio or Chandler, Rubio or N8, Rubio or Eddy, Rubio or DLee, Rubio or ???????

    Thank You NFL

    Peace & Blessings

    Comment by Statesman2 | September 6, 2009 | Reply

    • I like Thriller.

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 7, 2009 | Reply

  6. Relevant Sports News!!!!!!!!!

    This story appears in the Sept. 7 issue of ESPN The Magazine.

    What if I told you about two white brothers from a trailer park on the tattooed side of the tracks? Their father decides — against all logic — to teach them a rich man’s sport, golf, even though he’s a complete chop himself. They become great on the weedy public courses, turn pro and dominate the sport. Just wipe the Tour up. Golf harrumphs in disbelief.

    Then the two brothers grow disinterested with golf and get into motorcycle building. They nearly stop playing altogether.Then they grow disinterested with being disinterested and decide, What the hell, let’s go thump again. So they crush all new saps, until it’s obvious nearly every major is going to be won by one or the other.


    Well, change their color to black, their sex to female and their sport to tennis, and you have the Williams sisters, who now have 18 majors between them — 11 for Serena and seven for Venus. Eighteen! If this were golf, Serena would be tied with Walter Hagen for third, and Venus would be tied with Bobby Jones, Arnold Palmer, Sam Snead and others for seventh. From one family, one coach, one house in Compton. It’s the single most underplayed story in American sports in the past 25 years. Where’s their postage stamp?

    Do you realize a Williams has six of the past 11 women’s majors? That they’ve outlasted not one generation of rivals but two? Martina Hingis, Justine Henin, Lindsay Davenport, Jennifer Capriati. All gone.

    There has never been a sibling combo like this in American sports history. Baseball’s DiMaggios, Waners, Alous? Not even close. Skiing’s Mahres? No way. Football’s Mannings? Please. One championship each?

    It’s the most underplayed story in sports.

    The Williams sisters are bigger than sports. Their achievements rank with any set of sisters in American history, along with the Stillwells — Revolutionary War heroines — and the Andrews Sisters, the biggest American singing act in the 1940s. The only difference is the Williamses are in their second decade of greatness, going on a third.

    The problem is deciding which one you want to have win the next major. It’s no good just throwing your hands up and saying, “It’s going to be a Williams.” You have to pick one. You can’t root for both the Yankees and the Red Sox, the Clintons and the Bushes, Coke and Pepsi. You have to choose: Venus or Serena. They’re two entirely different people with entirely different personalities.

    Venus is like grass courts, steady and calm. Serena is like hardcourts, slick and fast. Venus kills you with her forehand. Serena kills you with her backhand. Venus takes too few chances. Serena takes too many. When they screw up, Venus glares, Serena smiles.

    Venus talks about nothing but tennis. Serena talks about anything but tennis. Serena will do 45 minutes on the TV show she’s writing or her book that’s coming out (On the Line, in September) or her last Twitter tweet. To wind Venus up, ask her about equal prize money.

    As kids, Venus was the one you let babysit. Serena was the one you got babysat. They’re still like that. Venus is 29 going on 40. Serena is 27 going on 18. Once, at Wimbledon, when Serena was confused about what to do in front of royalty, Venus whispered into her ear, “Curtsy.”

    Venus keeps most of it in, and Serena lets most of it out. Or don’t you remember those swimsuit pictures? Venus is a reader. Serena is a reality-TV freak. Venus dates a golfer, Hank Kuehne. Serena dates a rapper, Common. Are there two more opposite dates?

    They’re both fashionistas, but Serena likes to push it: the Lycra catsuit, the denim skirts with boots, the white trench coat. And that’s just stuff she’s worn on the court.

    Serena’s the better player, but that’s like saying Paris is the richer Hilton. They’re both a NASA space launch past everybody else right now. Their only legit competition is the Russians, and lately the sisters have made them look like weekend coaches at the Moscow Country Club.

    Go ahead. Take your time picking your Williams. Thanks to their dad’s brilliant long-term coaching strategy — and their desire to step back from tennis to study fashion and acting — their minds and legs are fresh. They’re not burned-out (Capriati, Hingis, Henin), and they’re not worn-out (Rafael Nadal). They plan on kicking booty through the 2012 Olympics and maybe, they say, clear through the 2016 Games.

    But if somebody doesn’t throw them a ticker-tape parade pretty soon, I’m running for Congress.
    By Rick Reilly
    ESPN The Magazine

    Do they still think that Richard Williams(Earl Woods,Joe Jackson) & other strong BLACK FATHERS crazy.

    Peace & Blessings


    Love the column, hate the column, got a better idea? Go here.
    Want more Life of Reilly? Then check out the archive.
    Be sure to check out Rick’s latest project, “Go Fish.”

    Comment by Statesman2 | September 6, 2009 | Reply

    • does this mean the KNICKS get sessions? no? then who gives a rats ass bout the williams sisters.(and if it WERE golf? i wouldnt give a shit about that either)

      Comment by auggie | September 6, 2009 | Reply

      • Auggie,

        B/c the Knicks are so painfully insignificant and stagnant thanks to Turtle Donnie Walsh, many Fanatics on this site pick up on other topics, cause celebres and just idle chatter.

        Please feel free to keep the Fanatics on point with regards to the Knicks!

        Comment by orangeandblue1 | September 6, 2009

    • Steady Sortin’ DNA in an African sorta way.
      O&B tries to make a play on a Skip Pass that was clearly OB. To the Dean of the Diplomatic Corps: Recognize the author on the Skip Pass before deciding to jump head-first into the seats trying to salvage OB. Keep your Baygon handy.

      Steady as IT bounces OB.


      Comment by Steady | September 6, 2009 | Reply

      • What’s the OB acronym mean Steady. I don’t know that one.

        Please advise.


        Comment by orangeandblue1 | September 7, 2009

      • Perhaps you mean OB as in other blogger being a recognizable agent provacateur by just another cloak?

        Comment by orangeandblue1 | September 7, 2009

    • Auggie, I like the William’s sisters as athletes and women. Lookin at a little Serena couldn’t hurt; in fact it may help some of us get over the loss of Sessions. Doesn’t Tony Robbins recommend that you change your thinking to something more positive when you are overwhelmed with negativity?

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 7, 2009 | Reply

  7. not to get off the subject of the WILLIAMS sisters.(i know this is called VENUS FANATICS)BUT DOES ANYONE OUT THERE have VERIZON FIOS?if so ,is there any news about them getting the NBA CHANNEL?

    Comment by auggie | September 6, 2009 | Reply

  8. You Mofos are testy tonight. (I love it. Life on planet Mucked Up.) Just wait until the season starts, you all are really going to be pissed.


    Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 6, 2009 | Reply

  9. What more can be said about the NYK that has not already been said? Crickets at Boils Berman? Tumbleweeds at Isolation and Khan Kant boot up his blog–may be looking for another job.
    Thanks for all your creativity in keeping us Amused Admin.

    Steady as IT Blogs back ON in the Van.

    Comment by Steady | September 6, 2009 | Reply

    • True indeed Steady,

      Lives has done a splendid job despite the lack of anything to really say about the Knicks this summer.

      Still I had a few suggestions to his Classic Throwback Knicks Fanatics Cheerleading dept.


      Comment by orangeandblue1 | September 7, 2009 | Reply

    • Thanks Gents, I’m actually enjoying the effort to find new angles to the happenings in the NBA or the lack of happenings around MSG. Sometimes it works; sometimes it doesn’t, but as I said before, the heart of the blog is the community — the posts are just one way to keep the community active.

      Steady is right. I spend a lot of time checking out all of the other blogs to keep up with what is going on in the heads of Knicks fans and although I like a few blogs a lot, there has been little new happening and the commercial blogs are falling apart. Berman apparently has lost or dumped most of the archived comments in their renovation. The Fix needs to be fixed and Isolation is the right word for Isola’s wasteland creating thumb. The Indies are ruling the roost for the moment and maybe that’s a condition of summer when access is light.

      Anyway, this is certainly more time consuming than writing long comments. First, of all, now I got to actually edit my shyte a little. Second, I am always learning something new to add to or do on the blog. These days it’s the pics. It took me a few hours to figure out how to tear up that pic in photoshop, but I enjoyed learning to do it. Plus, it is worth it, if it makes one person smile a little. Actually, its worth it whenever Fanatics show up whether in praise or criticism. It’s all good. Great to read you.

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 7, 2009 | Reply

  10. Morning Gents. Steady knows what’s good.

    It’s a beautiful day and I am listening to Alpha Dog Junior sing like me (out of tune) to Thomas the engine classics while wifey is preparing my daughter for her first day of fifth grade. I think most ofthe Force MDs have seen those days come and go. Wonderful aren’t they. To you other Fanatics still shackin’ after 15 years, give that girl a ring, but don’t marry her unless you have to. LOL. I’m just kidding. Marriage is what you make of it and Cooley knows what’s good. He wrote the book on good marriages. I don’t have time write one because between my blog activities and my wife’s directives I don’t have any time to write a book.

    I’m appreciating all the criticism about my choice of topics — the list of critics is long and distinguished: O&B, Peaceman, Statesman and Peaceman. O.K., I should stick with just long.

    O&B, since when does everything we write about on here have something to do with the Knicks? You know I write what I feel like writing with the objective of hopefully bringing a slightly different perspective supported by at least a few facts. And hopefully in the process at least one person will laugh or get pissed so that I can imagine the rattle of the loose screws in their brain.

    As for the Rubio story, clearly I failed if I have not made the connection clear over the past three months because this happens to be one of those few things I write that has some connection to the Knicks.

    I do understand the push back to the overexposure of a raw, 18 year old European who has proven little more than he can be the object of considerable hyperbole. It can get rather monotonous, but it is certainly not irrelevant. If you think the story is only about Rubio and if you are only focused on the next Euro-hope, then I guess I understand your concerns. But the story is about so much more than Rubio and the significance to the Knicks is not insignificant.

    The Rubio story is about many things worthy of consideration, if not discussion, including the following:

    1. The relationship of a general manager to a draft choice reluctant to play in a small market;
    2. A small-market NBA executives’ long-term strategy for building a contender and execution of that strategy.
    3. The risks involved in draft selection
    4. The risks involved in drafting an 18 year old
    5. Media coverage of the GM, the player and the relationship between the two
    6. The impact on the Knicks of Kahn picking picking two guards with the 5th and 6th picks
    7. The impact of Kahn contracting with Sessions another point guard that got away from the Knicks in the Summer of 2009
    8. Walsh’s failure to sign Sessions as an manifestation of his lack of confidence in his ability to execute the 2010 plan by dumping the Curry or Jeffries contract
    9. Fan obsession with OPP
    10. The true signficance of the intangible lure of New York as opposed to the attraction of money and the opportunity to play with a winner

    etc., etc., etc.,

    However, this is the rub. If there is something to talk about that is more interesting to you than whether the post is topical, then everyone should feel free to start that discussion in the penthouse or the comment section.

    Statesman is my boy and I noticed after he complained this time, he tried to initiate a discussion — only this one had less to do about the Knicks than my Knicks Fanatics classic cheerleading tryouts, which will be happening.

    I don’t want you to think I am complaining about the complaints. I’m not. Doesn’t bother me at all. I’m gonna write whatever the fuk I want, just like you can write whatever the fuk you want and I’ll post it. LOL.

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 7, 2009 | Reply

    • Darn Lives,

      “I don’t want you to think I am complaining about the complaints. I’m not. Doesn’t bother me at all. I’m gonna write whatever the fuk I want, just like you can write whatever the fuk you want and I’ll post it. LOL.”

      Geez you heart my inner child with a boot to the nads,… LOL!

      But in my defense I did point out that the whole rubio story did of course allude to fan fantasies of Kid Ricky coming to NY after winning a war of wills with Kahn.

      I also pointed out to you a thought was probrably starting to stir amongst many disallusioned knikcs fans, that of Sessions acquisition by Minny perhaps being part of a secret arrangement between Kahn and Walsh to brinng Sessions to NY for some of our jetsam.

      Thus I found much of interest in the tri-partite series of yours. I even commended you on the investigatory reporting.

      No doubt I tire of hearing about kid ricky, just as I tire of hearing of 2010, Lejesus,… the Plan, ….. patience and all that other stuff.

      But fandon of course comes with it’s ups and downs and I see diehard fandom as an allegory for our own lives in that the loyalty it generates can be found in many of the fruitful relationships we build throughout the course of our lives. Friendships, significant others family. Loyalty is a good thing. Not perfect but then again nothing is. Good deeds don’t go unpunished but for all of us Knicks die hards and life lifers it is my sincerest hope that our loyalty the knicks be rewarded some day over the rainbow.

      More importantly I wish you and all of our fanatic brethern the best as we endure another possibly terrible season.

      OBTW,…. another lesson being learned in the NBA is that in office ties should not be a reason to enter into lopsided agreements to the detriment of your organization.

      Kahn perhaps has realized this and understands that it is the organization that pays his bills that deserves his uptmost attention loyalty and best efforts,… not some distant tie with a colleague from another organization.

      As Zeke fell on the sword for attempting to not rebuild in NY, but failed for various reason most of us understand if not agree with, so did McHale fall on a sword for the White and Green of Boston to the detriment of the team that paid his bills.

      I could go on and you as well as I should know that the Knicks are the wise fools and late bloomers of late of franchise resurrection. Let us hope that the flower springs before we are all in the grave.

      One love bro!

      Comment by orangeandblue1 | September 7, 2009 | Reply

    • LOL. You don’t need to defend yourself man.

      I appreciated all of the commentary.

      I think Knicks fans are dreaming if they believe Kahn has the kind of relationship with Walsh that McHale had with Danny Ainge. There is no evidence of that. We wish.

      I’m really hoping that the season is not terrible. We can count on you guys for some rollicking LBE’s and there are potentially some good story lines to follow with the development of Gallo being the most critical imho. I don’t see Chandler developing much. I don’t see D’Antoni changing much, but I will be interested in seeing Jeffries, Hill, Douglas, Gallo and Chandler on the floor, perhaps at the same time.

      But it couldn’t possibly continue ot get worse. Could it?

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 7, 2009 | Reply

      • Yeah Lives,

        Can’t do away with a good thing.

        I’ll be hosting the LBEs come the regular season.

        Maybe once during the weekends with an added week in review of the teams highlights and foibles.

        No offense taken of course I got a teflon ego and an velcro wallet but I love them girls with them bullet proof booties! LMAO!

        Comment by orangeandblue1 | September 7, 2009

  11. O&B, where are those classic selections you offered? Who were they? The post is coming as soon as I find the time to get all the pics (about 40) together.

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 7, 2009 | Reply

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