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CONGRATULATIONS MJ, Jerry Sloan, David “Admiral” Robinson, John Stockton and Ms. Vivian Stringer

All Air Congrats


Hall of Famers 2009 copy

September 11, 2009 - Posted by | Hall of Fame | , , , ,


  1. Kudos to all HOFers, a fabulous class of worthy icons on the floor.

    That said lets look at D.Stern’s classless negotiating with the NBA refs.Don’t misunderstand me, I think the refs basically stink, and if you think Donaghy was in it by himself I have a bridge to sell you, but Stern, Mr. Civil Rights Attorney, is busting a move here, y’all, only this move is called “Union Busting”.The refs have offered 2.5 mil in givebacks and he gets up and walks away from the table and then says their through talking.That’s a lockout.I always get a kick out of millionaires crying broke, but making sure they and their boys are PAID!This is also about scaring the shyte out of any player without a signed and sealed contract over the next few years.You are officially worth less, unless you put a ball through a hoop better than 99% of your colleagues.You’re okay Bron.Hey Attorney Stern, explain that bullshyte to the guys in the Harlem barbershop.Ask Rhodan if he’s willing to take a 10% cut in salary and perks.Get back to me on that.PS.I ain’t gonna hate the game, I hate the playa.

    for your info: from Sept 11, NY Times

    “N.B.A. to Start Its Season Without Its Referees

    Published: September 11, 2009

    The N.B.A. will start the 2009-2010 season without the N.B.A. referees after the league ended negotiations this week. The impending lockout is based on the referees’ refusal to concede to all of the N.B.A.’s demands for significant cutbacks to the referees’ budget.

    After months of negotiations, the N.B.A. continues to insist on cutting 10 percent from the referees’ budget for the 2009-2010 season. The National Basketball Referees Association’s (N.B.R.A.) most recent proposal, which the N.B.A. rejected, offered to cut more than $2.5 million from last season’s budget. This includes cutting travel costs by 15 percent and per diem by 7 percent. The referees have also agreed to freeze their salaries for the 2009-2010 season. This represents a 10 percent savings to the N.B.A. from the salaries it paid during the 2008-2009 season. While demanding cutbacks, the league also says it is necessary to add two new N.B.A. Developmental League referees to the staff, even though the referees have agreed to take on the additional workload.

    The N.B.R.A. recognizes the difficult economic climate, and has been attempting to work with the N.B.A. to negotiate a two-year contract to ride out the current downturn (previous contracts were for five years).

    “We understand that everyone in the country is facing tough times, but the N.B.A. is continuing to make money, sign large marketing and television contracts, and expand their business internationally,” said Lamell McMorris, the spokesman for the N.B.R.A. “We have attempted to negotiate in good faith and give substantial cuts to get the referees back to work.”

    McMorris also represents the major league umpires, who are also negotiating their collective bargaining agreement with Major League Baseball. Joe West, the president of the umpires union, said he was “saddened that the N.B.A. referees have reached an impasse with the N.B.A., and that a lockout appears likely. I understand that, as David Stern abruptly ended the bargaining session, he told the negotiators to ‘go negotiate your deal with baseball.’ For Mr. Stern’s information, negotiations between the umpires and Major League Baseball have been going fairly smoothly, thanks in large part to the professionalism of Mr. McMorris’s team and the executives at M.L.B. Even though our contract expires in December, we are hoping to get a deal done well in advance of that date. Mr. Stern may want to think about taking a page from our playbook.”

    While the N.B.A. maintains that cost-cutting is essential, the league has given raises and bonuses this year to the senior staff responsible for overseeing the referee program, including Ron Johnson (senior vice president for referee operations), Bernie Fryer (vice president and director of officials), and Joe Borgia (vice president of referee operations).

    The N.B.A.’s Annual Referees’ Fall Training Camp begins Sept. 20, and the first preseason game is scheduled for Oct. 1.

    Despite the N.B.R.A.’s willingness to agree to reduce costs, the N.B.A. has begun to contact replacement referees to work at least the early part of the preseason and regular season.”

    Comment by Tman | September 11, 2009 | Reply

    • The refs have a right to be pissed. Stern can be an obnoxious bully when he wants his way. The ref’s position is a fair one. The NBA may be projecting lower Basketball Related Income, but that is only temporary. The league is healthy and developing other revenue streams. A two year contract is smart. . . .but Stern probably likes Ronald Reagan’s relatively successful play against the air traffic controllers. No doubt he believes this plane can fly without the refs. But can it land?

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 13, 2009 | Reply

      • Lives

        I co-sign wholeheartedly with you on that sentiment.

        Comment by orangeandblue1 | September 13, 2009

  2. Congratulations to the class with “Class”. This class and the next couple of class will end the era when players were concerned about maintaining a good image as opposed to “Keepin it Real”. They were not Saints, but they understood the responsibilities that came with being in the public eye.

    David Stern & the NFL are, and will play Hard-Ball, because they understand the long-turn effect of the economic downturn. It’s not the cash TMAN it’s the two-year time period. Two years is not enough time to make-up for the expected losses. David wants to juice them for a longer period of time. Stern observed the empty seats in the arenas last year combined with empty seats at the “New Yankee Stadium” and “Citi-Field” and realized that revenue will plummet in his league over the next 3-5 years.. Even if the corporate partners purchase seats and season-tickets remain at current level, the extra 5-10 thousand in walk up traffic will take a big-hit. Results…

    Ticket revenue, down!

    Concession & Parking revenue, down!

    Jerseys & other paraphernalia sold in the arena, down!!

    The irony is that the over-saturation of sports on the Boob-Tube will also contribute to the down-fall. Why go the game and spend all of that cash in the arena/stadium when you can stay home and watch on TV for a lot less. Look for more pay-per-view in the not so distant future. Pay-per-view will force the individual to put sports in the proper perspective. Individuals will realize that viewing a sporting event is not an inalienable right. The athlete will realize that the easy money is over. LeBron & Dwade are getting terrible advice. Sign the contracts now, because next year it could be smaller. The ad dollars will be smaller. Always take the money when it’s on the table. If you don’t believe me ask Latrell, Bonzi, or Sam Bradford

    Peace & Blessings

    Comment by Statesman2 | September 11, 2009 | Reply

    • State’s only take the money if it’s right or you have no other option.

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 13, 2009 | Reply

  3. Nice artwork on that Jordan pic.

    As the world burns!

    Comment by O&B's Ghost | September 11, 2009 | Reply

    • Yeah, O&B, a good friend of mine loves to paint athletes. He’s got more work coming.

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 13, 2009 | Reply

      • There’s artistry in the game, and game in artistry!

        Comment by orangeandblue1 | September 13, 2009



    To millions of fans across the country, professional sports instills a sense of civic pride and identity. They provide a common ground for all parts of a community: black and white, old and young, rich and poor, urban and suburban.

    This combination of emotion, history and entertainment makes sports a business unlike any other (Mass consumption & Multiple impressions is the name of that Flava). The suave people of New York City don’t congregate around the television or fill are HOUSE, or Citifield, The New Yankee Stadium, or Arthur Ashes Stadium, to watch the Financial Sector make transactions at Prime Time; Nor do Peeps pulling for the DEADSKINS from the District gather in great numbers to watch the Supreme Court. But rooting for our BELOVED KNICKS when they play the Boston Celtics is a natural communal activity (In OUR HOUSE, on MSG, bars, feeds beaming across state lines, even Oceans…).

    This hypnotic connection between cities, fans and home-town teams is what makes it so difficult to see those teams PIMPED by conglomerates like the ultimate packaged good.

    Every Fanatic posting on the thread knows Cablevision is one of the nation’s leading Media & Entertainment companies. Tapped into somewhere near a thrid of NYC Metro Area populace and beyond(this site is Prima Facia Evidence of their reach with the majority of fanatics posting from outside the zone; consuming their product for intel and providing your own intel as they data mine the hell out hooked BBALL junies like US FANATICS; links pasted all over the thread acting as a distribution channel for F**KING Free; You remember how OUR TOP DAWG couldn’t even get a press pass this summer–What the F**K; purchaes of merchandise; YOU KNOW YOU MOFOS HAVE A KNICK JERSEY HANGING IN YOUR CLOSET;) with their cadre of services on a myriad of platforms.


    Now you my Brother from another Mother kicked me up to the PREMIER SUITE because my retort supplied a rosy proposition and assessment of OUR BELOEVED KNICKS (KFFL). I spit smack with the best, but the GAME is fluid and we got to get down to the bear bone facts. The Lil General didn’t bolt from the bargaining table involving the REFS because he working from a position of wekakness. Rahter from a position of protecting the Profit Margin uner the guise of hanging on to BRAND simaltaneously. One loose Cannon who GAMED the system with the NBA’s major partner the Gambling Complex made this clear cost saving move possible. He’s got a groups of chips that don’t really define the PACKAGE GOODS, and they slipped up because they didn’t police their own, and Mass Consumers are ambivalent about the official any GOT DAMN way… The MOFOS every Fan love to hate. SO FUCK THEM! And, Lil general will come out smelling like a rose and this shall pass. The move indicates that Lil General has done his DUE DILIGENCE he’s mined the data, and common sense prevails. The sport is going to see a flattening of the margins if they can contain cost. Got too. My astute BRUDDER that moves the Instruments with grea flair, said it earlier, saturation has reared its ugly head, and in this current economic matrix being OVEREXPOSED has its perils….


    With Cablevisions decision sto pin-off MSG and its assets. THE SHEETS GOT TO MEET FANATICS. MSG has been sniffing around the District and other Metropolitan areas looking for land or prospective rehab facilities to create NEW ENTERTAINMENT SHOPS. What data made MSG ever consider to expand beyond Apple. MOFOS LIKE US! The Consumption template says it is worth the risk. LIL General moved TURTLE WAX WALSH back to his origins, and the FUN RUN AND GUN Coach, so they could run the LOAD, RINSE, SPIN STRATEGY so we POINT TO A SAVIOUR, that will keep US consuming whether by HOLDING OUT HOPE or by SHEAR ANGER AND FAN DISGUST. This ia PACKAGED GOOD gents and our consumption is EMOTIONAL (Our Fanatics Posts, PRIMA FACIA EVIDENCE). The mere ILLUSION of BRON, WADE, MAMBA, or ANYBODY donning a KNICK UNI does the TRICK, don’t matter YOU GOT TO BELIEVE and you do that by SIMPLY DOING NOTHING. I Think they call it being PRUDENT. Especially when you’ve been advised you WILL WEAR A CEMENT SUIT AND END UP IN THE EAST RIVER IF YOU DON’T PLAY THIS HAND AS YOU’VE BEEN TOLD. This is Organized Business Baby… Don’t get it twisted Officials, Management that is not vested, and the tremendous product itself DON”T MEAN SHYTE. Their nothing but a bunch of over paid punks Black, White, European, Asian, Hispanic, making THE SHORT END OF THE CHEDDAR IN THIS EQUATION AND THINK THEIR THE DEFINITION OF OPULENCE. That SHYTE is laughable!

    You don’t waste cash on retreads, you don’t make moves for BULLSHYTE POINT GUARDS NAMED SESSIONS, and you don’t pay DLEE OR N8 a RAISE for what they’ve given you in return. YOU SELL THE DREAM FANATICS. It might seem trite, probably more ESOTERIC, but the SHYTE WORKS. ASK BARRY, THE POTUS!


    So FANATICS, I prefer to SELL MY OWN MOTHER FUCKING DREAM, and that is we can win with what we got. I’m DREAMING OF career seasons for DARKO, ECURRY, BIG AL, GALLO and CREW, cause it makes me FEEL GOOD cause I AM A MOTHER FUNCIING JUNKIE LIKE THE REST OF YOU, and in a few weeks I’LL NEED MY FIX LIKE ANY OTHER GOOD KNICK/FANATIC JUNKIE WOULD. I like millions and millions of other people got that have my PACKAGED GOOD. Man I got so many JONES and NEEDLE MARKS (Yankees, Giants, Lakers, Tiger, Serena and Venus, Theatre, Museums, Movies, Dining Out, and the list goess on and on…Remind me to never let you mofos see my feet, cause that’s my secret lever for pleasure.) CAUSE IF IT DON”T MAKE MONEY IT DON”T MAKE SENSE…



    God Bless KnickAmerica and God Bless the New York Knicks!

    Comment by Cooleyhigh | September 11, 2009 | Reply


      What you trying to say brudder?

      Great point and Cooley way to get to your main point, “I prefer to SELL MY OWN MOTHER FUCKING DREAM.” I hear ya, understand ya and don’t blame ya.

      But, you and I know that you’re not gonna get paid money for that fantastic dream. Repeat: IF IT DON’T MAKE MONEY IT DON’T MAKE SENSE!

      Yet, I do see the extrinsic value of your dream for your sanity. No problem, plus it is a fitting counterpoint to the nightmare I’m addicted to. I was born a Cubs fan so sado-masochism ain’t nothing to me.

      I like this post though. We’ll be seeing this one again during the season. It’s worth repeating, IMHO.

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 13, 2009 | Reply

    • Opps, a typo. “IMHO” should have been “IMO”. I’ve got less humility that MJ, the baller.

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 13, 2009 | Reply

  5. Long, but very funny speech by John Stockton.

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 11, 2009 | Reply

  6. John Stockton, an improbable success, was a solid point guard. Another victim, in terms of ability to win a Championship, of the Jordan years. Also another beneficiary of the Jordan years, because we can measure his greatness against the most complete player in the game.

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 11, 2009 | Reply

  7. Earlier David Robinson’s speech was all thanks and prayer. His speech reminds us that no one succeeds alone in life and that we have much to be thankful for. David was clearly a true man of faith and boundless love. His work with the community is legend — $9 Million to a school– but what was impressive was how he used the podium as an opportunity to praise and encourage his boys.

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 11, 2009 | Reply

  8. David Robinson and Tim Duncan together was proof that two big men could play and win championships together.

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 11, 2009 | Reply

  9. I am so proud of C. Vivian Stringer. Before I got married, I lived in a small place near the College Avenue gym. After a long day of work, and sometimes during lunch, I would sneak to the gym and play often with women from the team when Stringer first came to Rutgers. I knew of her greatness and we were so excited when she came to Rutgers. Playing with the Ladies on the court, you already could feel her impact on their work ethic.

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 11, 2009 | Reply

    • i used to ball at the RAC & Werblin against the ladies too from time to time. What they lacked in hops they more than made up for with good old-fashioned teamwork – and narrow-eyed killer instincts. They gave no quarter and took no shorts.

      It is kinda weird defending the post against a 6’3″ 220 pound woman though. I neither confirm nor deny rumors that i used the ol’ “pull the chair” routine from time to time. 😉

      Comment by Paul | September 15, 2009 | Reply

      • It’s all about the wins baby. Those games were not lesser ones.
        I think all the years I was around Rutgers, I played on Busch campus maybe twice. That little gym at Douglas was my regular spot for awhile. I wouldn’t be surprised if we were in the same game. I do remember some dude being a little rough on the ladies and getting schooled in return. (LOL).

        I wish my memory was that good.

        Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 15, 2009

  10. Congratulations to the Class of 2009 NBA Hall of Fame Inductees.

    What a collection of heavywieghts in the gme of BBALL!
    God bless them and their Families!

    Comment by Cooleyhigh | September 11, 2009 | Reply

  11. I love Jerry Sloan. He is one of my absolute favorite players ever. As I was growing up, like many kids, I modeled my offensive game after many players. One day I was shooting jumpers like McAdoo, the next hook shots like Kareem, then fingerolls like Dr. J. (Not Iceman), slingshots like World B. Free. But the most important part of my game was defense, because people on the playground and in the gyms rarely hustled hard on D. I love D. I love frustrating good, fast players and it is all because of watching two people — Jerry Sloan and Norm Van Lier, two of the meanest mugs ever. Because of them I have had many nicknames like “Knat,” “The Fly,” “Hack” and “motherf*cker.” For that I thank Jerry Sloan. And man could he coach.

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 11, 2009 | Reply

  12. I did not like Michael Jordan until he re-entered the league for the third time as a Wizard. I could not connect with him since he was arrogantly overtaking the reins of the league from Dr. J and Magic Johnson, players I liked much better. When he played for the WIzards, I saw how much he respected the game. He showed that once again by selecting David Thompson as his presenter. He was telling us that his game, even as perhaps the greatest of all time, was built on the game of others like Dr. J and Walter Davis.

    In my mind, as Pat Riley said, Michael is the most complete player ever to play the game (Big O a very close second).

    I love basketball.

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 11, 2009 | Reply

  13. Michael is a funny dude. Tough personality. See you guys later.

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 11, 2009 | Reply

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  15. O was better.

    Comment by Tman | September 11, 2009 | Reply

    • How did I know you were going to say that?

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 13, 2009 | Reply

      • How did MJ start his speech?”Every championship I won Scottie Pippin was right there by my side…”
        Who was at Russell’s side”?
        Who was at Magic’s side?
        Who was at IT’s side?
        Who was at Reed’s side?
        and finally who was at O’s side when he finally won one?
        Check the stats, then talk to the folk like Wayne Embry,who won a ring with Russell,and was an NBA GM.Then look at the stats.MJ is clearly the greatest finisher of all time, but Oscar was flat out better if we’re talking best all around basketball player ever.
        O WAS better!

        Comment by Tman | September 15, 2009

      • The thing against my position is that I can’t prove you wrong. What favors my position is that you definitely can’t definitively prove that “O” was better than MJ. The eras are too far apart; the rules, stat maintainence, level of competition, travel conditions, outside influences and responsibilities are so different that it is impossible to compare objectively. Ask Michael, Russell and the Big “O.” Which one of them will say they were the best of all time?

        I know you were kidding when you asked who did Russell play with? Blogga Please. Russell had more quality teammates than Michael ever had. Plus he had Red Auerbach, the great advantage.

        Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 15, 2009

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