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“Walsh, Lee, Hurry Up There’s An Expiring Contract Available In Minnie.”

Everyone is reporting the imminent signing of Nate Robinson, including those who claimed Nate would notTrade For Me Please return, but David Lee remains Walsh’s problem child as Lee’s agents search feverishly for an acceptable sign and trade so that Lee can get paid starting this season.  Lo and behold, an opportunity has opened up in Minnesota where Kahn has authorized center Mark Blount to seek a trade.  Blount is in the last year of a contract which will pay him about $7.9 million this year, almost the $8-9 million Lee is expected to get in the first year of his next long-term contract.  For Lee this is a great opportunity to effectuate a sign and trade proposal, especially since the Knicks remain in flux at center.  They are set to experiment with Darko and Curry this season.  Blount’s expiring contract would fit quite well in Walsh’s plan and after screwing the Knicks all summer, Kahn could finally do a “solid” for his mentor by taking Lee.

Regarding Robinson we are awaiting the details of his contract to be revealed, but it is reported that it is laden with performance incentives. That deal heightens the drama value of the relationship between Robinson and D’Antoni.  If the incentives are attached to assists then D’Antoni might have a few sideline smiles to share.  If the incentives are attached to points scored, score one for fantasy geeks. If they are attached to wins. . . .(Knicks’ Spirit Week, remember) then hopefully he will double his salary.

Also take note that even the press has joined in on this as “Knicks Spirit Week.”  No one is negatively reporting Darko’s arrival from Serbia today, after he missed all of the voluntary training camp.  Than goodness he’s not Zach Randolph or we would already be hearing criticism about his work ethic and whether he fits as a Knick.

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Mike Wilbon refuses to buy into “Happy Week.” Forgive him, he lives in D.C. and is from Chicago:

It won’t take as long as some might think to start to get some answers to these questions. Training camps start in a week or so and the interminable NBA season is only five weeks away…Oh one more thing: stop waiting on the Knicks, who could be the most irrelevent and overhyped franchise in all of American sports. The Knicks last won in the early 1970s and since then it’s been mostly disappointments (except the two trips to the Finals in the 1990s). Only New Yorkers think the Knicks are hugely important to the NBA. They aren’t.

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September 24, 2009 - Posted by | David Lee, Donnie Walsh, Nate Robinson, New York Knicks | , , , , , ,


  1. Dear livesinnewjersey,

    You are an idiot! Why would the Wolves want another NBA power forward? We have Al Jefferson. We have Kevin Love. And, we have Nikola Peković in Europe. David Lee is not a true center…so don’t try that.

    “Kahn could finally do a “solid” for his mentor by taking Lee”…a solid? Is that how this game works? You’re nuts. The Knicks are the worst team in the league and are going nowhere. You’re not getting James next year and Wilson Chandler is not your savior. “do a ‘solid'”? GO JUMP!


    Comment by DRuss | September 24, 2009 | Reply

    • LOL. DRuss, you may be right, but who in the hell is Nikola Pekovic? Thanks for stopping by.

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 24, 2009 | Reply

      • I went from cringing at you to laughing with you. Thanks for the response.

        Oh yeah, Pekovic is a stud. Potential 20 & 10 guy in the NBA (kinda like AJ and Love) but it doesn’t sound like he has a lot of interest in coming to the NBA…and like AJ and Love he doesn’t play much defense.

        Comment by DRuss | September 24, 2009

  2. Fanatics,

    “Happy Feelings”

    The upcoming season should be valued and appreciated for many reasons.
    This Nets deal gives insight into the dire financial conditions of teams and the league. The refs, players and fans may be locked-out to save the franchises and league from bleeding.

    If $200 million buys you 80% of the basketball team, then the team alone is being valued at $250 million, which is $50 million less than the purchase price in 2003. A team major market, on the surface sells for $50 million less than purchased 6 years ago. Not good.

    However the $200 million also entitles you to 45% of an $800 million dollar arena. What this tells me is that the basketball team was valued at significantly lower than $250 million,. I’m sure that this was an attempt by the Nets and the league to hide the true selling price of the team, at around $150 million, (or 50% of the 2003 price). The market for an NBA franchise is falling as fast as real estate in the state of Florida. With at least 5 teams on the market, look for more convoluted sales to mask the true value of a franchise. Bob Johnson good luck in Charlotte. Senator Kohl good luck in Milwaukee. Heisley in Memphis good luck.

    What does this mean for our Knicks? If an international player comes with the right price, don’t be surprised if the Knicks have a new owner. Remember there is a spin-off in the works, and father Dolan needs to offset the bleeding from Alan Hahn and company.

    Look for the cap to drop significantly next year and the following year. In addition do not be surprised if teams/the league colludes to keep free-agent signings at low-end prices during the 2010-Free agent period. The big free agent delusion, may be realized. Basketball is looking more and more like show-bizness. James Brown once said “5% show, 95% bizness.

    Peace & Blessings

    Comment by Statesman2 | September 24, 2009 | Reply

    • States, you are on the money. I was thinking along similar lines $250 million for 80% and 45% of the stadium? There is really something wrong with those numbers. Can’t be or the Nets are really not worth much in and of themselves. You are on target.

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 24, 2009 | Reply

    • Steady logic Statesman. Therefore, the deal is about getting “corners” as in real estate. The Euro dollar has already flooded the real estate in US 24-hr cities. Long time overdue for Brooklyn to get in da house.
      Steady logic on the collusion and protracted CBA talks. Looks what they’re doing to their Lone Rogue Refs. Does anybody think they can find enough Scabs to read and react to the Lil General’s convoluted scripts? At 5%, that’s a p!$$ poor $#!++% over-under.

      Steady as IToo Love this Game!


      Comment by Steady | September 25, 2009 | Reply

    • Here’s another Steady thought on the Statesman Blog–the state of play is to strip down and bring franchises to pedestrian values ($.01:$1) so that owners can feign losses/lost revenues. Getting below the luxury tax threshold is one thing but the value of the venue (i.e. Mecca) and the player’s salaries all coount towards the franchise value. Anyone can dross over this little factoid until $#!+ stinks, but the NYK was worth more (ever) when Mills and Thomas ran the BB circus on the Mecca floor.

      What prima facie evidence do you see Cool MD?

      Steady as IToo Love this Game.


      Comment by Steady | September 25, 2009 | Reply

  3. I agree with DRuss Lee for Mark Blount?

    That to me would be like throwing Lee’s value away for virtually nothing in return. Oh right that’s what may happen with “Shallow Waters” anyway. Ok do it!

    I suppose this must be another happy week thread!

    Comment by orangeandblue1 | September 24, 2009 | Reply

  4. Signing Lee to a one year deal and letting him walk away at the end of one highly productive year for nothing would be much smarter than trading him for a salary dump.

    Plus, as DRuss points out, Minny is stacked at PF.

    Finally, how is the summer over and Fanatics still do not understand that a sign-n-trade of Lee is difficult primarily due to his base year compensation value (his “salary” value is small and any trade involving him must be within 85% of the salary coming back)?

    We could not trade him for Blount straight up. The salary he WOULD be making AFTER the sign -n- trade is irrelevant (well, except to Bartleby, whose wine cooler sales have seriously declined since the Marky Mark & the Funky Bunch days).

    Comment by Paul | September 24, 2009 | Reply

    • LOL @ that one Paul!

      Comment by orangeandblue1 | September 24, 2009 | Reply

    • Bartles and James was a great wine cooler from the days when I was in school. Marky Mark’s net impact was nil compared to James Snacks. Instead of staying true to the product (Bartles and James), James was caught by TMZ cameras cowering in the corner near the stationary bikes at practice with a bag of hot & spicy BBQ chips and a bottle of Boone’s Farm. And that was the end of Snacks and the rise of Shallow Water.

      Comment by Steady | September 25, 2009 | Reply

    • O.K. so I should’ve put “Just Bloggin'” at the end of the tongue-in-butt-cheek post. If I got to explain the humor then it wasn’t all that funny or obviously you haven’t been reading me all summer. . . . Lee (double-double) for Blount? Kahn doing a “solid” (as opposed to a “solid waste”) for Walsh? The Turtle hurrying up? Blogga’s please. LOL

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | September 25, 2009 | Reply

      • Short answer Lives–YUP! (LOL)
        You’re the Admin so everyone in these here parts (except for Statesmen(1&2) of course) hang by your every typed word. (LOL)
        Besides, Just Blogin’ is copyrighted and like “Threepeat” to Riley, Steady gets a breakoff every time a Khan uses it.

        Just Blogin’

        Steady as IToo Love this Game!

        Comment by Steady | September 25, 2009

  5. MEMO TO MIKE WILBAD: NY is the King of the F’n Hill. The DC athletes/clubs are crying about the MSMs coverage/critiques and demanding man-love from the likes of WILBAD. Since there’s not enough room in DC for the Alpha Dogs of the Force MDs and since Cooley MD rolls with Mike from time to time, Steady says: let the community allow the dude to be the indie-blageur/provocateur. He’s overqualified for the roll of village idiot.

    Steady as IToo Love this Game.


    Comment by Steady | September 25, 2009 | Reply

  6. Does anyone else think we should make a VERY strong run at Rudy Gay next off-season? He is a restricted free agent but it doesn’t seem like Memphis has the money to match a 13-14M/yr offer (and I would pay even more for him). And it is well documented that he and Mayo don’t get along. I say he is our number one option come 2010. He has been putting on weight. He can give you 20, 5 and 5 night in, night out. He is a good guy. The USA Team loves him. He is really young. He already plays in a small market and it hasn’t been an issue. If I am Kahn…Gay is my target come free agency next year.

    2010 Roster

    Flynn > Sessions
    Ellington > Draft Pick/Brewer/Sasha
    Gay > Brewer/Gomes
    Love > AJ/Draft Pick/Pekovic
    AJ > Hollins/Draft Pick

    Now we are talking…and they could even make a run at Joe Johnson too!

    Now add local boy Cole Aldrich and we are in the game!

    Comment by DRuss | September 25, 2009 | Reply

    • DRuss, are you dreaming.

      Your Rudy Gay scenario presents several challenges.

      First, Gay is nice but inconsistent. It is practically guaranteed that he will not improve with Randolph and Iverson on his team. One night he can score 35 and the next disappear. He barely rebounds — 5 is atrocious for a 6’8″ forward logging in heavy minutes and he doesn’t pass the ball. But Minnie can have him.

      Second, as you noted he will be a restricted free agent and he will be in his fifth year. His max salary would be in the 13.5-14 range so you can’t pay him more and why would you. He is not a max guy and getting rid of him will be terribly difficult if he gets a long-term max contract. Knicks fans know that song too well.

      Third, Memphis will be well under the cap and should be in a position to resign Gay. But I don’t know why they would match a $13.5 million offer. Teams are trying to lower contracts at this point. Isn’t Ryan Gomes cheaper if not quite as good. For $13.5 mill, don’t you want more for your money.

      Comment by igmknicks | September 25, 2009 | Reply

      • igmknicks,

        i disagree. gay is an emerging guy in this league who needs to get away from mayo. i agree that he has to prove his worth this year before we go drop a big cotract on him but i do think he has the potential to be a franchise guy. his inconsistency will get better with age and ryan gomes is not even in the same conversation as gay. lets watch this year and see if he can handle mayo, iverson and fat zach. i agree it will be a tough year for a guy who wants the ball.

        Comment by DRuss | September 25, 2009

  7. oh yeah…this is a Knicks page. haha.

    Comment by DRuss | September 25, 2009 | Reply

    • Minny will have some sizable cap space available ass well from what I’ve checked out. 2010 isn’t a Knicks buyer’s market as many koolaid blogs have it out to be. It’s a sellers market with plenty of teams out there to bid on and improve their prospects long term.

      Comment by orangeandblue1 | September 25, 2009 | Reply

      • oh yeah…the timberpups will have plenty of cash to throw around next off season regardless of the changes to the salary cap. they have over 24M coming off just Blount, Cardinal, Daniels and Wilkins’ contracts. we should be able to add two great guys for sure (rudy gay and joe johnson!).

        Comment by DRuss | September 26, 2009

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