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Knicks Win First Pre-Season Game Over Nets 115-107


image Usually the preseason games don’t tell you much about how a team will fare in the regular season.  That is still true, except the Knicks preseason debut offered a bit more hope than last years managerial disaster when Stephen Marbury was still inexplicably in the picture and everyone was claiming it had no impact on the team. 

Yesterday, as the Knicks beat the New Jersey Nets in the first  game of the preseason, the major concerns were on the court and not the sidelines.  Thankfully, basketball is back and we did learn a few things that make us a bit more hopeful about how prepared the Knicks will be starting October 28.

— The Knicks will play more defense this year.  The defensive activity was a welcome sight after D’Antoni insisted that his team was playing defense by playing better offense last year.  The Knicks had five blocks by half-time and Harrington was among the players taking charges.  The Knicks still tended to roll out the red carpet for anyone driving through the lane from the top of the key.

Danilo Galinari seems healthy, but not well conditioned and not prepared to assume the mantle as a star (6 pts and 5 assts in 26 minutes).  He will need the season to learn the NBA game and how he fits into it. His strength is that he can shoot when he gets set and he still can pass well when he is out of control.  Late in the game, he missed the entire basket badly with two barely contested shots after he set his feet.  At least they haven’t said his back was the reason and the plus for him is that Newsday, which is owned by the Dolan’s, has already made his “intelligence” a headline when his play did not even earn a by line.  (Call me when Toney Douglas or Wilson Chandler get a headline for smart basketball play. LOL).

Jared Jeffries just won’t go away.  Jared is one of D’Antoni’s favorites although the fans don’t care much for him and his contract.  But as they say on Thomas the Engine, Jared is a useful engine.  He works as hard as anyone every year to improve. This year he added a three point shot which seemed as accurate as Galinari’s against the Nets as he hit three in a row (3 for 4 from tre arc).  It is clearly a matter of confidence, but if he can hit that shot with some regularity, he just stepped into Bruce Bowen territory.  Still, he has had such hard luck in training camps and pre-seasons that he should probably sit until October 28th at this point.

Toney Douglas (8 pts, 3 assts and 5 boards in 23 minutes) is relentless defensively although his man did get a step on him every once in a while.  He seemed to wear down later in the game and not to be as certain about his decisions. Two for nine shooting.

Chris Duhon (5 points and 4 assists in 25 minutes) was consistently the same as he was last year.  Not spectacular and a little reckless with the pass when caught off his feet..

Wilson Chandler (21 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals) has clearly been advised to be more aggressive to the hoop and with his shot.  You can see how the Knicks can easily resort to one-on-one play with Galinari, Harrington, Robinson and Chandler on the floor and each one pressing to make something happen.  Wilson was also aggressive on defense. 

— It is hard to believe that Al Harrington (23pts, 5 boards) may be the Knicks emotional leader. image Certainly he will be the scoring leader.  His shot is sweet and when he is hot, there is no one on the team better at shooting and creating his own shot – not even Gallo.

— We learned that Nate Robinson is getting $4 million this year.  Nate gets $4 mil and DLee gets $7 mil.  There is a little something wrong with that financial picture, but that is on Nate and his agent.

David Lee (20 pts, 9 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals).–

— The Nets looked very young but they have some interesting talent in Chris Douglas-Roberts, Devin Harris, Brooke Lopez and Terrance Williams.  Let’s see if this coach can get them to adopt some winning ways.

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October 5, 2009 - Posted by | Danilo Gallinari, Jared Jeffries, Mike D'Antoni, New York Knicks | , , ,


  1. After watching the first preseason game, I am encouraged. Gallo contributed significantly and, if you think about it, represents a much better asset at the 3 spot on both offense and defense than Q-brick. Though only 2 for 6 from the outside, he sees the floor, spreads the offense, and made 2 great passes off drives–one to Lee for a slam and one to an open Harrington for an uncontested J.

    Tony Douglas showed a lot of grit and tough, in-your-face, defense. He and N8 raised the energy level anc caused much havoc on D when they were in the game together. The fact that Douglas can spell Duhon without sacrificing momentum and adding defensive intensity is a big plus over last season. Tony D needs to work on outside J, and not take any 3 point shots until he can improve that part of his game through practice.

    Darko added some interior presence, blocking at least one shot, and intimidating/altering at least one penetrator. Hopefully, his leg/back knee injury will not hamper him all season. His height adds a dimension not present all of last year.

    Chandler continues to develop his overall game and seems to assert himself when its crunch time. Lee did his usual, consistent thing, set picks, rebound and score inside. Getting a technical foul was unusual for him, and maybe a positive sign–a meaner, nastier Lee may rub off on the team (Chandler/Curry?) and some intensity to everyone’s game.

    AL Harrington seems to have found a reason to talk team, play some defense (taking one or two hard charges), and exhibit leadership. Beyond the 23 points in 25-26 minutes, Al Buckets made a nifty bounce pass to Lee on a cut in the lane for an easy basket–rarely did Buckets ever give up the ball last year. For AL H, its either lead by example this season or else be led out by Lebron J next

    Jeffries’s clearly worked on his outside/3 point game and, if yesterday was not an aberration, he will contribute much more this season than in the past. We know he can help on D.

    On the downside, Jordan Hill, however, strikes me as a bust and at best a project who will only see garbage time unless Darko and/or Curry cannot play because of injury. As an 8th pick, the Knicks could have done much better and I question the scouting report on this guy. I hope I am wrong, but Hill looks to be 2 – 3 years away before improvement, if any, can be expected.

    I know that this is only preseason, and the Nets are likely to finish bottom in the division, but overall I saw much to feel encouraged that the Knicks, if they can stay healthy, can compete more effectively this year than last. LGK

    Comment by Post-up Prince | October 5, 2009 | Reply

    • Good points Prince.
      How did you feel about Duhon, Nate and Hughes?

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | October 5, 2009 | Reply

      • Hughes was nowhere to be found and is either starting for showcase reasons or showed more in practice than he did in the game. N8 played under control and did not attempt to do too much, but stole the ball, and together with Douglas disrupted the other team’s flow on D. He also nailed a 3 pointer at a crucial time in the game. Duhon was steady in directing the offense (no turnovers)and did his usual pick e roll stuff with Lee. He is solid but unspectacular. If he stays healthy, he will likely contribute in this fashion all season, since he can be rested with Douglas on board and need not be burned out before the all-star game.

        Comment by Post-up Prince | October 5, 2009

    • Steady analysis PUP. Hill is indeed a project and still complains about not having his wind. Steady says he’s in need of Earth, Wind, and Fire. As a long con in the N.B.A. life, he may have been picked for someone else. Watch how the ball bounces. Don’t look at his skill sets but the salary slots.

      Steady as IToo Love this Game.

      Comment by Steady | October 5, 2009 | Reply

      • Wazzuuuup my KFFL brutha’s!!!

        Yo Steady,I totally agree with your “Salary Slots”
        comment.Only when I think salary slots,I’m thinking
        between Dec.15 and the Trade Deadline as the season
        progresses I think we’ll see at least 1 GM get cold
        feet and do a deal with us.You know,somethin’ back
        instead of nuthin’ at all.Maybe 1,maybe 2,maybe more,
        maybe none.I do guarantee that the rumor mill will get
        hot and heavy in that time period.My over/under though
        is still 1.Can’t wait til’ the season starts.

        KFFL LGK

        Comment by George M. | October 5, 2009


      Comment by auggie | October 7, 2009 | Reply

  2. Good PM Fanatics! One preseason in the books! The JOURNEY has begun!


    Keep it CRACKIN!

    Comment by Cooleyhigh | October 5, 2009 | Reply


      Comment by auggie | October 7, 2009 | Reply

  3. Hey, maybe I tripped and hit my head, maybe someone spiked my Kool Aid, wtf, I really enjoyed the game!Can’t even remember the last time I said that!First,guys played D.It wasn’t perfect, but they tried to stay in front, they helped, but most important they kept the Def-pressure on.We were losing until Douglas and Nate came in and uped the ante.Douglas reminded me of KC Jones of days long ago.He couldn’t shoot it great either, but if he can lead, others will follow.Big Hill showed a lively body and a willing spirit, a lot more than I saw in the summer.I liked both of them more than I thought I would.Offensively, the team shared the ball and helped each other.I’m not sure what’s going on, on the bench, but it’s only one game and I hope it’s not an aberration.Maybe it was a hallucination, but it was a pleasant one and I’m hoping to see it again.I also liked Danelo’s attitude a lot more than I thought I would.He had only a so/so game, but made some good passes and seemed happy with others success.That’s team baby!Darko looked a little slow in the middle, but maybe he WAS hurt.Time will soon tell.Right now the middle is open and that needs to close.Right now there is something to build on, especially defensively.Doc Rivers took a team of no names a long way in Orlando a few years ago.This crew could feed off the total energy of a hungry bunch of athletes.Mr. Douglas and Hill, don’t let up on the defensive energy and keep banging.Shots will fall eventually.Make it happen baby, we’re watching you!Free Plax/LGK

    Comment by Tman :) | October 5, 2009 | Reply


      Comment by auggie | October 7, 2009 | Reply

  4. We know you’re keeping IT real down in South Florida George AND you know what’s good. Folks, look for Turtle Walsh to make a dash and splash (OUT OF CHARACTER OF COURSE) in the 2010 DRAFT. He’s gonna have many “Slots” open. Hopefully he learns from the lessons with Du-non–you need a bench in the NBA cause guys refuse to run winds and bleachers when they have papers and make above the minimum. Steady would…Wouldn’t you? Note to Hill–you got da loot, now you can go out and buy some earth, wind AND fire. It all starts with D son.

    Steady as IToo love this game.


    Comment by Steady | October 6, 2009 | Reply


    The Nets aren’t expected to pick up the option on the contract of forward Sean Williams by the Oct. 31 deadline.

    His bad attitude and perceived laziness appear to have doomed his future in New Jersey.

    “Everybody knows I have the skills to be effective as a player, but they worry about my professionalism,” Williams told the New York Post. “A lot of other people worry if I can be a professional on and off the court. They’re asking, ‘Is he accountable and responsible?’ And I’m trying to focus on that.

    “Getting ready for my third year, I’m going to take the experience I’ve had in the past and build on it,” he added. “I just want to fit in and help this team any way I can to get to our goals.”

    Nets president Rod Thorn is pleased with how Williams has played in camp.

    “He’s actually played very well,” Thorn said. “Last year, he played pretty good. This year, he’s played the best I’ve ever seen him play. [Saturday] he was fantastic.”

    Comment by Paul | October 6, 2009 | Reply

  6. A quick shout out to you guys. It’s great to e-see you. What’s up Georgie Porgie? Hopefully, the Knicks give us a reason to hang out a little bit longer than they did last year. I’m counting on it.

    The Czar of Live Blogging, O&B, will be directing another LBE on Friday when we face Rasheed Wallace and his new Posse. That should be really interesting.

    You guys need to get ready to offer your predictions for the season. I’m betting the Fanatics will do better than the bunch at ESPN as usual, but this time we’re going to memorialize it. We’ll get our prediction post up before the season and we may have a couple of surprises coming up.

    For now, I’m a bit tied up so I’ll get back to blog business when I take care of a few other matters. Have a great day. Peace.

    Comment by livesinnewjersey | October 6, 2009 | Reply

  7. The Annointed Pun (AP)
    Monday October 5, 2009
    By Scriptano

    Franchise Giant Curry Enters Greener Fuller Pastures as Team Mascot:

    After making a strong case for an NBA All Star appearance for his on court play, averaging around 20 points and 7 rebounds per game, 4 years ago during the 2006-2007 NBA Season, the Knicks Eddy Curry turned his attention to another road towards stardom. This time it is for the bright lights and undivided attention as the Team Mascot for the same NBA’s New York Knickersuckers. Curry’s road to Mascotdom began in the 2007-2008 NBA season when he pouted, underperformed and ate his way out of the Knicks starting lineup due to the challenge of co-existing with incoming low post threat and power forward Zach “The Black Hole” Randolph. For Curry the very thought of sharing the ball, nevermind a whopper, with former teamate Zach Randolph sent the snacking giant into a virtual tailspin. At that time it dawned on Curry that Stardom is Stardom whether it’s for on court performanace or a gig as sidline Mascot and on court invalid.

    Curry therefore, is taking this season as an opportunity to step up and secure the Franchise’s spotlight as official Team Mascot. Team Mascot a heralded tradition held formerly by injury and whopper riddled legend Jerome James and previously by the aging but allways willing bench reserve Herb Williams. Although Team Mascot is a position that requires the Mascot to adapt a cuddly and bloated physique, Team Mascotdom is also a position that is very demanding. For one it requires the Mascot to absorb countless amounts of splinters from riding the team bench as their Human Victory Cigar and or Garbage Time headliner. The organization is pleased with Curry’s eagerness to fill the recent void in the Team Mascot position, left by outgoing Jerome James, and are even further pleased that Curry’s acceptance of the Mascot position will not require any additional expenditures as he is locked up until the 2011-12 NBA season. When asked about the move, Management utttered that Curry’s move to Mascot is a great way of enhancing the entertainment value at Madison Square Garden, while at the same time better utilizing Eddie Curry’s talent and abilities to amass body girth all way saving the organization furhter expenditures as they prepare for the Summer of 2010 Free Agent Shopping Spree.

    [Censors Note: I hope this one lights a fire under Curry then again the large man might just fart and set himself ablaze, saving Don Walsh the effort to trade him for a bag of chips to clear cap space for July 2010.]

    Comment by Amalgamated Pun | October 6, 2009 | Reply

    • LOL that’s some funny stuff!

      Comment by orangeandblue1 | October 6, 2009 | Reply

  8. At last, something to look forward to, Celts are an excellent test of character.As the commercial says, “Adversity doesn’t create character, it reveals it!”A win in this situation is not what counts, but no backing down defensively and on the boards does count.If Darko is the real deal, now is the time to step it up.Buckle up men!The whole basketball world is watching to see who shows up.
    Free Plax/LGK

    Comment by Tman :) | October 6, 2009 | Reply

    • Yes while the game is a preseason game and supposedly doesn’t count,… it does in that it is a test of what the Knicks are capable of bringing and sustaining against top tiered competition.

      If my memory serves me well, the Celtics did get up for them preseason games,… so the Knicks better bring it on Friday.

      I’ll set up the thread.

      Later people.

      Comment by orangeandblue1 | October 6, 2009 | Reply

  9. from

    Lee Would Have Left If Isiah Was Still Running Knicks

    David Lee said he would have left the Knicks as a free-agent had Isiah Thomas still been in charge of running the team.

    “If this was the old regime with all the accompanying craziness, I would’ve been outta here,” Lee said. “But I talked to Mike [D’Antoni] a lot over the summer and I’m down with everything he and Donnie [Walsh] are trying to accomplish.”

    Via New York Post

    Comment by Paul | October 6, 2009 | Reply

    • I’m quite sure most objective observers would come to the conclusion that the Isiah Thomas regime spun out of control in the summer of 2007 and hit a thunderous dud at the end of the 07-08 season.

      So what’s new with your clip Paul?

      Trying to say something? Just come out and say it!

      Comment by orangeandblue1 | October 6, 2009 | Reply

    • Oh O&B, it’s just a long week till the next game. i threw a couple of real marginal headlines that crossed my RSS feed the past couple of days…sad to see the story about the local OPP that other Fanatics have waxed on about (Sean Williams) and his newfound availability / lessened trade value had less interest than this old chewing of the tired Isiah story.

      Lee waxes vague and hypothetical till he gets paid at the very least, Mrs. Lee didn’t raise no fools!

      Comment by Paul | October 7, 2009 | Reply

      • Yeah I guesse I’m tired of people beating the dead horse of Thomas’ failure in NY.

        Regarding Sean Williams, the bit you put up on him indicated that while they may not pick up their option to extend him, Thorn likes what he has seen from Williams this preseason.

        How would you suggest that we pry Williams out of Rod Thorn’s hands? Perhaps our rookie Jordan Hill? Any thoughts?

        Comment by Amalgamated Pun | October 7, 2009


      Comment by auggie | October 7, 2009 | Reply

    • Thanks Paul. I have actually been curious as to what Nate and DLee had to say about the “prior regime” but I certainly would not trust HOFer Peter Vescey to be a translator. Vescey, despite or because of his relationships, is washed up and has been for a long time. If journalists are truly distinguishable from Bloggers by their nurturing of and respect for facts, as journalists claim, then Vescey is a fact molester and should just register himself as a Blogger with an active imagination wherever his writing appears. But we all know that such registration would be unnecessary because Vescey just proves there is little difference between journalists and many sports Bloggers who just make up content to become relevant.

      Still, I would not be surprised if DLee had complaints about the prior regime, after all it was a horrible situation, but I would be a little surprised to hear DLee voice it to Vescey in any detail. First, that does not seem to be Lee’s MO, to be publicily critical of anyone unless he is joking about a former Florida State teammates. Second, it doesn’t serve DLee to be critical of Isiah since Isiah is the guy who drafted him and gave him the opportunity he now enjoys. Arguably, DLee does not become a starter in any other situation in the league. New York has worked out well for him.

      If it was coming from another reporter, I would believe take the report at face value, but let’s fact it, Vescey’s mug has beed seriously devalued over the years. So I wouldn’t be surprised if the next comment from Lee is an explanation of the comment and a personal vow not to tlak to Vescey ever again.

      Comment by livesinnewjersey | October 7, 2009 | Reply

  10. Paul:

    I did not see in the article where Lee specifically bad-mouthed Isiah–rather the “old regime” and “the accompanying craziness” which he did not detail. That could mean anything–the conflict between Larry Brown and Isiah, the Anucha Brown-Sanders scandal, the Marbury episodes, the conflict between Marbury and Q, perhaps other internal locker-room disharmony, etc. Though Isiah clearly bears some responsibility for the above, Lee did not single him out. I am wary of how the N.Y. Post, especially Pete Vecsey, reports stories about the Knicks, not to mention its overall distortion/slanting of national and local news. I hope Anti-NY Sports News reads this and reacts.

    Comment by Post-up Prince | October 6, 2009 | Reply

  11. One legacy that Jamal Crawford left behind here in NYC (besides teaching Nate how to drift aimlessly underneath screens) is the ability to give cliched, non-provocative quotes to the press. Nate & Dave in particular as young pups have taken that teaching to heart, and will hold it close at least until they get that big guaranteed contract. =)

    A boring choice for NYK fans, but i can understand the thinking and sure ain’t knockin’ their hustle. =)

    Comment by Paul | October 7, 2009 | Reply

  12. The “Curry to the Shelf” otherwise known in these here parts as the []’Anfoni Shenanigans & Charades is on. During the lazy days of summer, the Cooley MD blogged about what should happen to Mr. Fugazy should he decide to run those antics with another player as was done with Marbury. Ghost injuries be damned–plantar fasciatis is phase I for the 3-Step Injury Retirement Program.

    Note to Eddie: Get on WWW and call Leon. Don’t take this sitting down or bent ovah bruh [METRO](whether you like it or not)! You know what’s good!

    Steady with no insider info other than Peaceman’s rumblings here and no connects other than the Fanatics Admin and Cooley MD.

    Steady Just Blogging!



    Comment by Steady | October 7, 2009 | Reply

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