Knicks Win First Pre-Season Game Over Nets 115-107
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Usually the preseason games don’t tell you much about how a team will fare in the regular season. That is still true, except the Knicks preseason debut offered a bit more hope than last years managerial disaster when Stephen Marbury was still inexplicably in the picture and everyone was claiming it had no impact on the team.
Yesterday, as the Knicks beat the New Jersey Nets in the first game of the preseason, the major concerns were on the court and not the sidelines. Thankfully, basketball is back and we did learn a few things that make us a bit more hopeful about how prepared the Knicks will be starting October 28.
— The Knicks will play more defense this year. The defensive activity was a welcome sight after D’Antoni insisted that his team was playing defense by playing better offense last year. The Knicks had five blocks by half-time and Harrington was among the players taking charges. The Knicks still tended to roll out the red carpet for anyone driving through the lane from the top of the key.
— Danilo Galinari seems healthy, but not well conditioned and not prepared to assume the mantle as a star (6 pts and 5 assts in 26 minutes). He will need the season to learn the NBA game and how he fits into it. His strength is that he can shoot when he gets set and he still can pass well when he is out of control. Late in the game, he missed the entire basket badly with two barely contested shots after he set his feet. At least they haven’t said his back was the reason and the plus for him is that Newsday, which is owned by the Dolan’s, has already made his “intelligence” a headline when his play did not even earn a by line. (Call me when Toney Douglas or Wilson Chandler get a headline for smart basketball play. LOL).
— Jared Jeffries just won’t go away. Jared is one of D’Antoni’s favorites although the fans don’t care much for him and his contract. But as they say on Thomas the Engine, Jared is a useful engine. He works as hard as anyone every year to improve. This year he added a three point shot which seemed as accurate as Galinari’s against the Nets as he hit three in a row (3 for 4 from tre arc). It is clearly a matter of confidence, but if he can hit that shot with some regularity, he just stepped into Bruce Bowen territory. Still, he has had such hard luck in training camps and pre-seasons that he should probably sit until October 28th at this point.
— Toney Douglas (8 pts, 3 assts and 5 boards in 23 minutes) is relentless defensively although his man did get a step on him every once in a while. He seemed to wear down later in the game and not to be as certain about his decisions. Two for nine shooting.
— Chris Duhon (5 points and 4 assists in 25 minutes) was consistently the same as he was last year. Not spectacular and a little reckless with the pass when caught off his feet..
— Wilson Chandler (21 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals) has clearly been advised to be more aggressive to the hoop and with his shot. You can see how the Knicks can easily resort to one-on-one play with Galinari, Harrington, Robinson and Chandler on the floor and each one pressing to make something happen. Wilson was also aggressive on defense.
— It is hard to believe that Al Harrington (23pts, 5 boards) may be the Knicks emotional leader. Certainly he will be the scoring leader. His shot is sweet and when he is hot, there is no one on the team better at shooting and creating his own shot – not even Gallo.
— We learned that Nate Robinson is getting $4 million this year. Nate gets $4 mil and DLee gets $7 mil. There is a little something wrong with that financial picture, but that is on Nate and his agent.
— David Lee (20 pts, 9 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals).–
— The Nets looked very young but they have some interesting talent in Chris Douglas-Roberts, Devin Harris, Brooke Lopez and Terrance Williams. Let’s see if this coach can get them to adopt some winning ways.
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ESPN ANALYSTS FIND OBVIOUS TRENDS AMONGST KNICKS
ESPN’s top NBA analysts Ric Buecher and John Hollinger combined their skills, tools and observations to find trends within the Knicks. The analysis is tucked away in the Insider which requires a subscription for this “insider information.” Unfortunately in this case, it seems that their combined effort is no more than common sense.
First they determine that the player “trending up” is Wilson Chandler. Hollinger expects Wilson’s player efficiency rating to increase slightly but not drastically. He writes:
Chandler will start at small forward again and has a good chance to build on last season’s numbers since he’s only 22. It’s unlikely his playing time will increase much this season, especially if Danilo Gallinari is healthy, so any uptick in Chandler’s numbers will have to come from either finding more shots or converting more of the ones he takes. Either is possible, but we’re talking about incremental shifts here with a gradual build. He’ll probably lift his percentages a bit and average around 15 points per game, which is solid. Just don’t expect the moon based on a superficial reading of last season’s numbers.
The player thought to be trending downward is Darko Milicic. He believes that Milicic is little more than good trade bait around playoff time:
What? You thought Darko would be reborn in Gotham? Let’s curb the enthusiasm. The Grizzlies traded Milicic to New York for Quentin Richardson, and Milicic will serve as the backup center and provide one of the few sources of defense in the basket area for New York. He’s a good option to bring off the bench for 20 minutes a night for that reason, but he may get lost in the Knicks’ run-and-gun approach. Additionally, he doesn’t have the skill level to finish pick-and-roll plays, the bread-and-butter of New York’s half-court game.
According to Bucher, Jordan Hill is the “name to know” which is translated to mean that Knicks hopes may rest on his shoulders as much as Danilo Galinari’s. However, he expects little from the raw forward.
Most rookies have an easier time if they can play a role alongside an established star. The Knicks don’t have any bona-fide stars, but their post players, Lee and Al Harrington, have strengths, meaning they won’t yield easily to the rookie. Hill is not going to outrebound Lee, and Hill showed no signs in the summer league of having a superior inside-outside game to Harrington’s. So what does he do to make his mark?
Chances are, he won’t. He’ll be just another guy in the rotation, much like Gallinari. And that won’t help Walsh that much.
As I see it, these are all safe observations and predictions that tell us little about how the Knicks will fare this year. The key to the Knicks is how well D’Antoni will be able to institute his offense (and whether they will play any defense). I was cracking up earlier this morning because last year I spent a little time on the Fix, where Chris Duhon was treated like a God, criticizing Duhon and Walsh because their actions dismantled D’Antoni’s offensive scheme and turned it into a half-court pick and roll offense. The only way that changes is if the conditioning and mind-set of the bigs handling the ball on in-bounds or rebounds and the guards bringing up the ball change their mind-set and move the ball (not themselves) quickly up the court.
Consequently, D’Antoni will be looking to Danilo Galinari and his guard corp to direct the offense. As, I will write later, Galinari is being put in an awfully difficult challenge but what you must like about him is that he has a great competitive mentality which is an important part of what makes a great player. Still, the Knicks are probably asking too much of him, his conditioning and his understanding of the NBA game. With so much weight on Galinari it is highly likely he will “peeter out” by the all-star break.
Regarding Chandler, we all expect him to play better and hopefully with more anger and aggression. However, the problem regarding Chandler is that the D’Antoni staff must begin to maximize this kid’s skills. He has the ability to have a nice inside game, but turning him into a three point shooter will ultimately hurt his game and confidence. We can expect the local Beats to pound on his image by interpreting his laid back, deferential and youthful approach to the game as having a “low basketball IQ.” (That term rankles me coming from the Beats who understand the game far less than most of the players and have a paper trail of prognostications and observations to prove it.)
D’Antoni’s handling of Curry and Milicic will decide how quickly he can get the team to play consistent ball with each other. No one really expects much from Curry who will probably not be in D’Antoni game shape. That would require D’Antoni to alter his “game” for another season. I am not very familiar with Milicic’s game although I have reviewed a lot of tape. I haven’t seen him get the opportunity to demonstrate all those skills he supposedly has, so I reserve judgment for the moment.
As mentioned before, the key to the Knicks will be the guard corp and whether someone can step up and displace Duhon from the position of titular point guard. All eyes are on Toney Douglas as the player who hopefully will trend up and be able to direct D’Antoni’s offense. He showed an ability to play the up-tempo game during the summer league where almost all the games were horse races from end-to-end. Otherwise, we may see another season with major in-season trades that can disrupt the teams’ flow.
Although, I sorta kinda follow ESPN’s power ranking, they really don’t tell you much more than how certain analysts think a team should be ranked. Very subjective. However, they are still decent entertainment.
This year the Knicks start off at number 26 in the power ranking, under the Nets and above the Wolves, Grizzlies, Bucks and Kings. We’ll see.
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[A CooleyHigh Joint. Did you think we ignored this powerful LAP (long ass post)? Naaaw, we were just waiting for the right time to elevate it for R&R. As usual, Cooley’s got a dream of his own and a powerfully edgy but positive view of his fave BBall team. Let him know what you think. Are you buying his dream? Let’s Go Knicks.]
MONEY, MONEY, MONEY. IF IT DON’T MAKE DOLLARS IT DON’T MAKE SENSE…..
To millions of fans across the country, professional sports instills a sense of civic pride and identity. They provide a common ground for all parts of a community: black and white, old and young, rich and poor, urban and suburban.
This combination of emotion, history and entertainment makes sports a business unlike any other (Mass consumption & Multiple impressions is the name of that Flava). The suave people of New York City don’t congregate around the television or fill OUR HOUSE, or Citifield, The New Yankee Stadium, or Arthur Ashe’s Stadium, to watch the Financial Sector make transactions at Prime Time; Nor do Peeps pulling for the DEADSKINS from the District gather in great numbers to watch the Supreme Court. But rooting for our BELOVED KNICKS when they play the Boston Celtics is a natural communal activity (In OUR HOUSE, on MSG, bars, feeds beaming across state lines, even Oceans…).
This hypnotic connection between cities, fans and home-town teams is what makes it so difficult to see those teams PIMPED by conglomerates like the ultimate packaged good.
Every Fanatic posting on the thread knows Cablevision is one of the nation’s leading Media & Entertainment companies. Tapped into somewhere near a third of NYC Metro Area populace and beyond (this site is Prima Facia Evidence of their reach with the majority of fanatics posting from outside the zone; consuming their product for intel and providing your own intel as they data mine the hell out hooked BBALL junkies like US FANATICS; links pasted all over the thread acting as a distribution channel for F**KING Free; You remember how OUR TOP DAWG couldn’t even get a press pass this summer–What the F**K; purchases of merchandise; YOU KNOW YOU MOFOS HAVE A KNICK JERSEY HANGING IN YOUR CLOSET;) with their cadre of services on a myriad of platforms.
GENTS, IF IT DON”T MAKE MONEY IT DON”T MAKE SENSE… ARE YOU WITH ME SO FAR….
Now you my Brother from another Mother kicked me up to the PREMIER SUITE because my retort supplied a rosy proposition and assessment of OUR BELOVED KNICKS (KFFL). I spit smack with the best, but the GAME is fluid and we got to get down to the bear bone facts. The Lil General didn’t bolt from the bargaining table involving the REFS because he working from a position of weakness. Rather from a position of protecting the Profit Margin under the guise of hanging on to BRAND simultaneously. One loose Cannon who GAMED the system with the NBA’s major partner the Gambling Complex made this clear cost saving move possible. He’s got a group of chips that don’t really define the PACKAGED GOODS, and they slipped up because they didn’t police their own, and Mass Consumers are ambivalent about the official any GOT DAMN way… The MOFOS every Fan loves to hate. SO FU*K THEM! And, Lil general will come out smelling like a rose and this shall pass. The move indicates that Lil General has done his DUE DILIGENCE; he’s mined the data, and common sense prevails. The sport is going to see a flattening of the margins if they can contain cost. Got too. My astute BRUDDER that moves the Instruments with great flair, said it earlier, saturation has reared its ugly head, and in this current economic matrix being OVEREXPOSED has its perils….
NOW WHAT THE HELL DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH TURTLE WAX WASLH AND THE COMPOSITION OF OUR BELOVED KNICKS…YOU DAWGS STOP YELIING IN THE FANATIC CHAMBER, CAUSE THAT’S SOME IGNORANT SHYTE…LOL LOL LOL GET TO THE POINT MOFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With Cablevision’s decision to spin-off MSG and its assets. THE SHEETS GOT TO MEET FANATICS. MSG has been sniffing around the District and other Metropolitan areas looking for land or prospective rehab facilities to create NEW ENTERTAINMENT SHOPS. What data made MSG ever consider to expand beyond the Apple. MOFOS LIKE US! The Consumption template says it is worth the risk. LIL General moved TURTLE WAX WALSH back to his origins, and the FUN, RUN AND GUN Coach, so they could run the LOAD, RINSE, SPIN STRATEGY so we POINT TO A SAVIOUR, that will keep US consuming whether by HOLDING OUT HOPE or by SHEAR ANGER AND FAN DISGUST. This a PACKAGED GOOD gents and our consumption is EMOTIONAL (Our Fanatics Posts, PRIMA FACIA EVIDENCE). The mere ILLUSION of BRON, WADE, MAMBA, or ANYBODY donning a KNICK UNI does the TRICK, don’t matter YOU GOT TO BELIEVE and you do that by SIMPLY DOING NOTHING. I Think they call it being PRUDENT. Especially when you’ve been advised you WILL WEAR A CEMENT SUIT AND END UP IN THE EAST RIVER IF YOU DON’T PLAY THIS HAND AS YOU’VE BEEN TOLD. This is Organized Business Baby… Don’t get it twisted Officials, Management that is not vested, and the tremendous product itself DON”T MEAN SHYTE. They’re nothing but a bunch of over paid punks Black, White, European, Asian, Hispanic, making THE SHORT END OF THE CHEDDAR IN THIS EQUATION AND THINK THEIR THE DEFINITION OF OPULENCE. That SHYTE is laughable!
You don’t waste cash on retreads, you don’t make moves for BULLSHYTE POINT GUARDS NAMED SESSIONS, and you don’t pay DLEE OR N8 a RAISE for what they’ve given you in return. YOU SELL THE DREAM FANATICS. It might seem trite, probably more ESOTERIC, but the SHYTE WORKS. ASK BARRY, THE POTUS!
SORRY! There will be no moves FANATICS cause YOU NEED THAT DISTRACTION, YOU WANT THAT DISTRACTION, AND IN THE END YOU DON’T CARE WHAT THEY DO YOU’RE ADDICTED TO THAT DISTRACTION… IF they make a deal! It is because it MAKES THE SHEETS MEET. IF IT DON”T MAKE MONEY IT DON”T MAKE SENSE….
So FANATICS, I prefer to SELL MY OWN MOTHER FUCKING DREAM, and that is we can win with what we got. I’m DREAMING OF career seasons for DARKO, ECURRY, BIG AL, GALLO and CREW, cause it makes me FEEL GOOD cause I AM A MOTHER FUNCIING JUNKIE LIKE THE REST OF YOU, and in a few weeks I’LL NEED MY FIX LIKE ANY OTHER GOOD KNICK/FANATIC JUNKIE WOULD. I like millions and millions of other people got that have my PACKAGED GOOD. Man I got so many JONES and NEEDLE MARKS (Yankees, Giants, Lakers, Tiger, Serena and Venus, Theatre, Museums, Movies, Dining Out, and the list goess on and on…Remind me to never let you mofos see my feet, cause that’s my secret lever for pleasure.) CAUSE IF IT DON”T MAKE MONEY IT DON”T MAKE SENSE…
HOPEFULLY FOLKS WILL CONTINUE TO BUY MY PACKAGE GOODS SO I CAN KEEP UP MY HABITS…. A Brother got to stay on his grind!
Repeat: IF IT DON’T MAKE MONEY, IT DON’T MAKE SENSE!
God Bless KnickAmerica and God Bless the New York Knicks!
JARED JEFFRIES EXPECTING A GOOD YEAR WITH KNICKS
Even Jared Has Highlights Folks
One of the hardest working Knicks, Jared Jeffries, is still with the team to much chagrin outside of MSG, but Jeffries expects to have a better year this upcoming season. While at his charity event at Twin Lakes Recreational Center in Indiana, Jeffries told a Hoosier Scoop reporter that after being plagued by a broken fibula he suffered last season, he expected this year to be better.
“Last year I was hurt,” Jeffries said. “I had to deal with my injury for the whole year. I think this year’s going to be good. It’s going to be a really good opportunity for me.”
Jeffries, by all accounts a nice guy, is in a very precarious position this upcoming season and he may face significant fan animosity if he and his contract are not traded prior to the February trade deadline. Although Mike D’Antoni has praised Jeffries for his work ethic and the defensive flexibility he adds to the roster, many fans see the former Hoosier as the worst offensive player on the team and a major impediment to the Cap Space Cometh 2010 Plan.
Unfortunately, the long but thin Jeffries has never been an offensive threat and is injury prone. Last year he was inconsistent and often appeared to have two left feet when trying to score beneath the basket. He averaged 5.3 points in 23.4 minutes per game and played in only 56 games. One could compile quite a blooper reel of his missed shots next to the rim. But on a team with many scorers, Jeffries offered the best defensive presence in the paint and his length and speed allowed him to guard the 1-3 positions relatively effectively.
Still, in this year before the Season of LeHope, Jeffries’ contract takes up $6.9 million of salary cap space next year. With the salary cap expected to be around $50-53 million, the Knicks will need that roster spot and salary slot to be emptied or replaced with an expiring contract. The additional dollars, almost $7 million, if added to the Knicks’ salary cap space would give the Knicks a greater opportunity to get a franchise player AND an adequate support group. While moving Eddie Curry’s contract ($11.3 million in 2010) would be more favorable to the 2010 Plan, at this point in Curry’s tumultuous career, it seems more likely that Jeffries could be moved faster.
It’s hard not to wish the best for Jeffries, who would probably be a nice piece for a good team, but a lightning rod for fan discontent for a team like the Knicks, which seems destined for another poor season while leaning on the hopes of improvement next year.
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Hoopsworld has a little piece that purports to determine what would make the season a bust for each of the NBA teams. For the Knicks it states:
The New York Knicks season would be a bust if… The Knicks squander the cap space the team has created for the summer of 2010. New York has several talented, young players on this squad as the organization looks to the future, including first round draft pick Jordan Hill, Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, David Lee and Nate Robinson. A playoff appearance this season is almost entirely out of the question but the future is bright in the Big Apple with a young core and a proven commodity in Mike D’Antoni coaching the squad. While 2009 is likely a wash, patience in the key for Knicks fans with cap space a plenty and a tremendous free agent class coming available next summer.
Unoriginal? I know. If you’re interested, the full story is here.
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There is No Way Knicks Can Be Worse Than Last Year according to Liam Martin at NESN.com. Before breaking down why Darko and Curryo will make the Knicks better, Martin opines:
“At first glance, not much has changed: The core remains Chris Duhon and Al Harrington, with David Lee and Nate Robinson still negotiating new contracts or exits. Mike D’Antoni remains at the reins, meaning the club will continue to shoot first, ask questions (or play defense) later.
And the culture, by all signs (i.e., Robinson being arrested for driving with a suspended license, then tweeting about it as the arrest was ongoing), hasn’t changed much, either.
But there are pros to the cons — pros, perhaps, that suggest only the Knickerboxers will win more than 32 games, but pros nonetheless.”
GULLIBLE’S TRAVELS: The Knicks’ 2010 Plan; Do You Believe That?
I have been searching high and higher throughout the blogoverse (the ever expanding blogosphere) for our friend Gullible Fanatic. I wanted to ask him personally, face to face, whether he actually believed all that he had been hearing the last two years about how the Knicks would reboot their fortunes by creating cap space for the Big Spend in 2010.
In my deepest and most melodic Gil Scott Heron voice, I want to ask “Do You Believe That?” I even wrote down how I would start the conversation with Gullible who is known to get a bit irate if you challenge what he calls “faith in Knicks management”:
Hey, in this summer of our malcontent
Where the objective is not to be underspent
and we build a team of players for rent
To fit under the cap by twenty-ten (2010)
They sell us this line w/ little dissent
“Our fortunes will change when LeBron gets in
Or Wade or Bosh is our cap-space occupant”
Do you believe that?
Do you believe that the stars will go where they can win,
Or do you believe they will agree to start all over again?
While we commit the unoriginal sin
Of building from without (a team) instead of from within
Do you believe that?
Well, I know Gullible will laugh at me and dismiss my concerns as impatience when I finally catch up with him. He believes that any move is acceptable so long as the ultimate goal of cap space is achieved. Nevermind that cap space does not take the court. Nevermind that the Knicks are unlikely to have enough cap space to give a max contract to a franchise player and attract solid support players. Nevermind that under the current CBA, championship contenders are not built through cap space — they are built by manipulating the cap rules, through the draft and trades. The evidence is abundant and clear.
Gullible will probably ignore me and continue to insist that the Knicks will get lucky and David Kahn will help us build our team by generously forking over Slicky Ricky Rubio to run the offense. I will ask Gullible what happened to the false belief that Mike D’Antoni would attract free agents like Jason Kidd, Steve Nash and Kobe Bryant because they liked working with him? Gullible will probably say that Donnie Walsh didn’t really want those guys. I’ll ask him “Do you believe that the flirtations with Stackhouse and Tinsley were smart? He’ll ignore me and tell me to focus on the draft of young potential potentates JHill and Toney Douglas.
Nevertheless, I must catch up with Gullible to help synchronize Knick fandom with reality, because only together can we begin to put pressure on our team to build a winner the right way. Yes, I too may be Gullible (or Gullible’s cousin) to believe that Knicks management will care what I say about their strategy, but I do know that alone I have no impact. Our only chance for change is to unite with all the Gullibles to put force behind our demands for a winning strategy.
So, I continue my search of Gullible Fanatic. Gullible moves quickly, both figuratively and actually. We all know that he changes his opinion at warp speed so that it fits his pro-Knick management conclusions (i.e. Knicks offer Kidd a contract which invades 2010 cap space. “Great move Walsh.” Kidd rejects the offer. “Great move, Walsh didn’t want him anyway”). Gullible also moves from one blogstation to another rapidly, but he leaves a trail of stench as wide as an asteroid tail. I’m on it.
My first stop was the “gottaread at least once in a while” Knicksfansite Posting and Toasting where we find Lord Seth pining over the positives he found in Gallo’s 412 minutes of professional ball. Gullible was definitely here and he had a crater-type impact. Apparently, he dropped some magic dust on 84% of 514 poll voters who stated that they had faith in Gallo as a star player in the 2009-2010 Knicks roster.
Strangely, I understand how they can believe that Gallo will be a star this upcoming season, despite coming off major back surgery in April and not playing real ball over the summer; despite him not possibly being in D’Antoni game conditioning; despite not really having a rookie season; despite not playing with his 2009-2010 teammates for an extended period to develop chemistry, I can understand why they would have faith that Gallinari would be a star this year. Anybody that can shoot a perfect form Wii jumper like the Rooster should have no problem averaging 24ppg, 6rpg and 5apg in his first real NBA season.
Somehow, I think Gullible had the advantage since I was trailing him. It occurred to me that he was trying to make me a believer when he took me to this impressive Gallo summer league interview.
It was only an interview, But. I thought that if Gallinari could play as good as he sounded there was a chance that Lebron would want to play with him, Chandler and whoever else the Knicks could afford with left-over cap space. How can you not cheer for Gallo, I thought?
I think I accidentally ignited the random search engine when I thought about cheering because it lead me off course, at hypertense-warp speed, to a cheer-leading squad, that was not the Miami Heat Dance Crew. This is how they do what they do in New Jersey.
Vodpod videos no longer available.
I looked into the New Jersey crowd and I didn’t see anyone who looked like Gullible. In fact, I didn’t really see anyone because most of the Gullible Nets fans were in Brooklyn waiting for the new stadium to be built. Perhaps that explains why the Nets dance team looks so mature in anticipation of when the move will actually happen.
I asked the computer to take me to a more thrilling dance team, but perhaps I should have been more specific. Somehow I ended up in a prison in the Philippines stuck in the middle of a Michael Jackson tribute.
That was definitely a thriller, but Gullible was not there either. Perhaps, if I go back in time, I thought, I could catch Gullible. I told the computer to take me to the 2009 NBA draft where I knew Gullible would be, waiting for the Knicks to draft Ricky Rubio or Stephen Curry despite much evidence that it was not going to happen. I fell right into the Green Room with Louisville swingman Terrence Williams, a good friend of recently media-convicted traffic menace Nate Robinson.
Terrence Williams, Twill, Nets #11 draft pick 6-6 Swingman
I enjoyed Twill’s guided tour through the draft where he was picked at the 11th spot by the New Jersey Nets, (I wonder how he’ll like the Dance Team), but I could not find Gullible because there were so many disappointed look-a-likes when Curry and Rubio left the board before the Knicks drafted Jared Hill. I think Gullible snuck out through the press room where they were serving brownies, cheese and alka-seltzer water. Still, it was amazing to see all these young boys right before they were to become millionaires.
As Jony Flynn expressed, the draft is such a special time, a culmination of a lot of hard work and dedication. Unfortunately, given all the accolades and good fortune these youngins are facing now, it is inevitable that someone on the bus is eventually demonized by the same media that promotes and exalts them.
From our friend RichyRich at “the best damn sports comedy” blog, I found the list of most hated athletes and amazingly the top eight are either black or Latino, which led me to real world redemption for one of the most hated athletes of all-time — Jack Johnson.
It took a racially motivated conviction to defeat and destroy the career of flamboyant and culturally defiant boxer Jack Johnson, the first African-American world heavyweight champion. Now Congress is poised to erase that defeat from the record books. The Senate and the House passed a concurrent resolution encouraging the president to give Mr. Johnson a posthumous pardon for his conviction and one year prison sentence for violation of a law prohibiting the transportation of a woman across state lines for immoral purposes — in his case, having sex with a white woman.
Once again, I could not find Gullible, but I found redemption. With that theme in mind, I felt a kind heart towards the Knicks. It may take another five years, but my team will be a contender again. There is nothing wrong with faith, but I still believe that some use faith as an excuse for rejecting responsibility for one’s Fanaticism. It is still my responsibility as a fan to tell my team that my faith and fanaticism deserves honest nurturing, care and love from the targets of my affection.
So, I will head back to Knicks.com and leave the following message for Gullible and Donnie Walsh. Build my team, but I don’t want . . .
“No Scrubs”
A scrub is a guy that can’t get no love from me
And is also known as a buster
Always talkin’ about what he wants
And just sits on his broke no game ass
So (no)
I don’t want your low numbers (no)
I don’t want to give you mine and (no)
I don’t want to meet you nowhere (no)
I don’t want none of your time and (no)
[Chorus:]
I don’t want no scrub
A scrub is a guy that can’t get no love from me
Hanging out the passenger side
Of his best friend’s tryin to steal a ride
Trying to holler at me from a winning team
I don’t want no scrub
A scrub is a guy that can’t get no love from me
Hanging out the passenger side
Of his best friend’s
tryin to steal a free ride
Trying to holler at me from a winning team
But a scrub is checkin’ me
But his game is kinda weak
PEACE.
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Word is that we have a 50/50 chance of picking up Grant Hill. Those are not bad odds considering the major theme of this free agency period is that most of the top free agents are looking to get paid to play for title contenders which has knocked the Knicks out of consideration.
Grant Hill claims he’s serious about the Knicks and he is mulling over two offers from Donnie Walsh, one for a one year 5 million contract and the other for a two to three year $10 million contract which seems to go against Walsh’s assertion that the team would focus on obtaining cap space and not space fillers at the end of their career like Hill.
Grant Hill may like the Knicks, but there is competition for his services in BeanTown and like other free agents he is more likely to play for a team that can be competitive. He like other players know the truth – playing in New York for the next two seasons will be like waiting for the train towards retirement or another way station. Unless Hill is swayed by money only and that famed (and overrated by New Yorkers) desire to play more than two games a year in the Garden, he will be a Suns or Celtics at the end of the free agency period.
Of the three teams, the Celtics would offer the least amount of money — $1.9 million biannual exception. Danny Ainge said the Celltics are strongly considering Hill. Doc Rivers, a friend and neighbor of Hill’s, is excited about the possibility of adding Hill to the Celtics which must be the favored team to come out of the Eastern Conference next year with the addition of Sheed and the rehabilitation of Garnett. (Cleveland needs more physical presence in the front court – Artest would have been perfect; ariza would have helped.) Plus Ray Allen is also a friend of Hill’s. His sales pitch to Hill is the one that has been winning over free agents all summer: ‘If you ever want to win a championship, you want to win it in Boston because you become a god, you become a part of a legacy and you won’t die with the fans. It will always be everlasting. You can be with other cities and win it, but nothing like here.’ ’’
At 36, Grant Hill, a class act, is still considered one of the better free agents. But even his agent says he is at the end of his career and that Hill received very respectable offers for a near retirement player. Last season Hill averaged 12 points, 4.9 rebounds, and 2.3 assists while starting in 68 games for the Suns, a team which missed the playoffs amidst a post-D’Antoni restructuring effort. As noted above, Hill sounds like Nash and Studamuffin will return so that they can complete “unfinished business.” In addition to a sense of loyalty, I am sure the hiring of Alvin Gentry who is very familiar with The D’Antoni-Iavoroni Way, also convinced Hill that he had a chance to do something special by finishing his career in Phoenix.
If you don’t know the story of Grant Hill, it is well worth investing some time into. Here is a man that suffered from ankle injuries for several years which kept him from playing for the Orlando Magic with Tracey McGrady, a very anticipated matchup. As Hill was on the verge of overcoming the hardship of his injury, he discovered that his wife Tamia suffered from multiple sclerosis. He and his wife persevered through those difficuties: He is successfully concluding his career and her disease is in remission. (As an art lover, I must also note that Hill is a great collector of African American art and his collection was turned into a book and travelling exhibition).
Despite all the good character things about Hill, Walsh’s pursuit of him makes little sense to me. On one hand, he has a lot to offer youngsters on the team. But what the heck was Alan Houston for? On the other hand, (the one that controls the dribble) Hill will join a 2-3 (shooting guard-small forward) core which may include Nate Robinson, Larry Hughes, Toney Douglas, Morris Almond, Al Harrington and Danilo Gallinari. That’s far too many players. Makes no sense. The time needs to be given to the younger guys.
Well, as noted, Hill decided to go back to the Suns. New York fans who believe in 2010 need to wake up. It appears that Stephon Marbury is right again – free agents aren’t that interested in coming to New York except to extort more money from their favored teams. If the lesser lights like Kidd and Hill won’t come to New York because they want to win; why would Wade or LeBron? And don’t you get the sense that these free agents know that 2010 is not happening in a major way in New York.
What’s plan “B” Mr. Walsh? You better tell Newsday so they can sell it for you before that option falls apart too.
BUZZER BEATERS. . .
Al Harington tells fans that he likes the result of the Knicks’ draft and that he believes the team can make the playoffs with a full season under D’Antoni.. . . .
Funny how last year, Stephon Marbury suggested in a New York Post Blog that he was probably going to Europe at the end of his career and many responded to his comments as incredible and him as crazy. But the man knows this business and could see the handwriting on the wall – in order to get the type of contract he wanted, he would need to seriously consider another market. Now, after the Celtics offered him a low veteran minimum deal of $1 million, Marbury is talking to European teams about joining them for next season. Karma? Reaping what you sow? Maybe. But it could also be that this guy knows the extent of this window of financial opportunity. It is closing and there will continue to be real life after basketball. . . .Alan Hahn of Newsday keeps lobbing a spit ball with Chris Mullin’s name on it into the Knicks front office despite Walsh’s insistence that he is not looking for help. Not sure what the addition of Chris Mullins would mean, but perhaps Chris is a better talent evaluator for D’Antoni’s system than Walsh. I have no idea but his fight for power against Crazy Nellie can be seen as a positive or a negative. . . .Cavalier Assistant John Kuester, and not Avery Johnson, will be coaching the Detroit Pistons. Apparently, Avery Johnson is still entitled to $8 million in buyout money coming from Mark Cuban and Dallas Mavericks after getting fired there following a first-round playoff defeat in 2008. The other contemporary NBA Lil General and Dumars, who is not afraid to change coaches, could not agree on contract terms. Avery wanted four years. Dumars did not want to pay Avery $4mil per. Dumars did not want to give more a two million, two year contract especially since he is still paying the fired Mike Curry five million over the next two years. Dumars explained this by stating that his current team is not a title contender yet and does not require a $4 – $5 million coach just yet. He likened this team to the one at the start of the Rick Carlisle period. Unfortunately for the Knicks, this hiring does not necessarily free up a playoff spot because Kuester is considered a good offensive-oriented coach and he will find a way to maximize a squad that includes Tashaun Prince, Rick Hamilton, Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva.
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WALSH SPEAKS ON THE UPCOMING DRAFT
Donnie Walsh Transcript
Posted Jun 22 2009 3:oo p.m.
Knicks President of Basketball Operations Donnie Walsh addressed the media on Monday, just three days before the 2009 NBA Draft. Below is a transcript of what Walsh had to say regarding the draft, the Knicks and the NBA in general.
Question: Why would you have (Jrue) Holiday in twice?
Donnie Walsh: I just wanted to take a final look at him, because I’ve seen him but I wanted to make sure everybody saw him, scouts and coaches.
Question: How much of a fear is it, I mean obviously there have been a lot of guys who have gone from being freshman to being good NBA players, but is that something also for guys like him that are in that same boat?
Walsh: Yeah, but there’s a lot of them. So is it a fear? No, not if you think that he can project into being a good NBA player. So in the case of most of the guys that are in this draft, that’s what is being done. But it is a jump of faith to try to predict a guy into a certain level, because you are going on what is his potential and if you feel good that he is going to reach it.
Question: Is there something you didn’t see from Holiday the first time that you wanted to?
Walsh: No. I saw him play in the regular season so I have a good feel for him. But going into the draft, you start watching the way the draft can go and you want to make sure. So there wasn’t anything earth shattering, it was like, well, why not let him come in again. And his agent said fine. Most of these kids are going to go to the NBA Draft, so they are on their way anyway.
Question: Are you aware of the smokescreens that are out there now, and the teams ahead of you? I mean, Washington is talking about seven players…
Walsh: Yeah I know.
Question: So do you see games being played, especially because there is a lot of parity in this draft?
Walsh: Yeah, I think that’s true. The only player right now is (Blake) Griffin. You know where he’s going and after that, all the way down past us, you have no idea who is taking who. And I think its to a degree because there is parity. There’s also at this point most teams got a guy that they want to take, and they don’t want anyone else to kind of figure it out. And we have a few teams that are traditionally like that at the top of the draft, and have been for a while.
Question: So do you have to have a plan A, B, C, D…
Walsh: Yes, of course. That’s what we’ll do.
Question: Is that what looking at Holiday a second time is?
Walsh: That’s part of it, but I think we also have until Thursday night and we need to spend it exactly on that to be sure that if this, this and this happens, where are we?
Question: When he talks about smokescreens, is that what people talking about (Hasheem) Thabeet and (Ricky) Rubio falling out of the top four is? Or are you pretty confident that they won’t be around when you pick eighth?
Walsh: No, I’m not.
Question: So you are confident or you aren’t that they will be available?
Walsh: I’m not confident that they will be in the top four.
Question: So they could slide down your way?
Walsh: Yea, they could. I mean, it’s possible. I’m not saying it’s going to happen, but you are hearing all this stuff and reading all this stuff. It could happen.
Question: Is this the most in flux a draft has been that you can recall?
Walsh: Not really. I mean, I think they are all like this. People are afraid of teams jumping ahead of them. They figure out, ‘Oh, ok if I want this guy he’s going to stop at four, then I have to get three” and then a trade at the last minute (could happen).
Question: Do you understand why Rubio might slip? Is it because of his situation with the buyout, he hasn’t worked out for anyone…
Walsh: I think it’s effected (Brandon) Jennings as well. They are not here, you don’t hear a lot about them, in Rubio’s case he didn’t work out, so you either really have to want him, because he is not in the news so to speak as much as the other players. And I think Jennings was that way too. That’s why he’s working out a lot. I’m sure he’s impressing some teams.
Question: Did you ask or want Rubio to come in?
Walsh: Probably back, but not now. We are down to it, and we know he’s a good player.
Question: But earlier in the process…
Walsh: Well when we started, I probably wanted to get him in.
Question: So you won’t meet with him?
Walsh: I don’t need to.
Question: Is he still number one on top of the board in terms of point guards?
Walsh: I don’t know. You have to ask the guy whose got two. (laughs)
Question: So on draft night you will have a scenario of someone trying to get up to number two…
Walsh: Yeah, those things happen in the draft. I’m not saying you don’t talk about them now. It’s also in the draft, you might get a call five minutes before you pick or five minutes before they pick.
Question: Do you think there will be any less of that because of the parity?
Walsh: I think there’ll be more than that.
Question: Given the depth of the draft at point guard, do you think it’s likely that’s where you end up?
Walsh: No, I don’t. The players that are at our pick, and the player we think is best for us, that’s who we’ll pick. We haven’t picked out a position that we need to get in this particular draft.
Question:Are you thinking that (Stephen) Curry and Tyreke (Evans) just might not be there at eight?
Walsh: I think that there are a lot of guys that might not be there so I have to be ready for who is there and what we’re looking for. There are good players.
Question: The player that you draft, could he impact the free agents, particularly the top free agents that you have?
Walsh: It depends who it is to be honest. There are some guys that are ready to play right now, and there are some that are very young and need time. The draft isn’t something you can grade the next day. You have to wait to see how you do. There is LeBron James and Michael Jordan, but in most cases, players need time.
Question: Last year, it was the first time working with Mike (D’Antoni). His system isn’t traditional. Do you look at that when you are picking?
Walsh: Yeah, I think you always do that. You always have a coach who has a style, so you try to pick for that style, but not 100-percent. If the guy is good enough, you figure he’ll fit in to his style.
Question: Do you want another number one pick because you don’t have one next year?
Walsh: I’d love to have one but people aren’t running around offering.
Question: Are you shopping for one, or even a two?
Walsh: Yeah I mean you always ask, but people are very reluctant to do that because they don’t know how they are going to be next year.
Question: There is talk with the way economy is, teams might be selling off picks. Have you seen any of that?
Walsh: No. I haven’t seen anything like that. We kind of talked to some people we thought would, and they haven’t yet.
Question: How far down in the draft would you go if you got a pick for next year to make it worthwhile?
Walsh: This year, I think you will be able to pick players 20-30, who while they haven’t got the cache of some of the players that are picked before that, so I think once we get the draft down and we are pretty close to it, you might be able to get a really good player at 20-30 if you get the right pick.
Question: Is there a market for your players? I mean a good market?
Walsh: I’m not sure. Because I probably value them more than other people.
Question: You’ve been asked about your players I presume.
Walsh: Yeah, there are some who do and some who don’t.
Question: When you talk about what you need and talk about point guards, it seems you like a scoring point guard?
Walsh: That’s not true.
Question: So what do you feel like you need from that position right now.
Walsh: I think a guy that can play a fast tempo. And I’d like a guy who can defend too, so those things. But someone who can play a fast tempo, because that’s what we want to play.
Question: Some say after that the players after one, they all seem kind of the same. Is this not a mediocre draft? Are you saying it is a decent draft?
Walsh: Well I think there are good players in the draft, so in that regard, there will be good players where we are so in that sense it is a good draft. You know, you have to wait two or three years to find out how really good it was. There are some years you go in thinking it’s not a really good draft, and you wake up two years later and these guys are starting, one through 20, and you think ‘Wow, that was a good draft.’
Question: When you evaluated Curry and he talked so much about wanting to be here, how much of a factor is that to you? Just the fact that he’s talking about it, what do you think of it?
Walsh: Well I’ve heard that from a lot of players, and so I like that. I like it better than someone who says he doesn’t want to be here. (laughs)
Question: How different is it this year in New York compared to your first year in the draft?
Walsh: It’s the same. I mean, I’ve told you guys I think you’ve got to get good players when you have this kind of opportunity. So that’s what I think. We have to pick the right guy.
Question: Have you seen Rubio play in person?
Walsh: No. I saw him on TV and all that, and I’ve watched a lot of film on him. A lot.
Question: But your people have.
Walsh: Yeah, I’ve got a European scout who is from people. We have people.
Question: How much do you blame the player or the agent when he decides he doesn’t want to work out?
Walsh: I don’t blame the player. Usually it’s the agents strategy and it either works or it doesn’t.
Question: What’s the strategy?
Walsh: The strategy is to get him picked by the teams the guy wants him to get picked by.
Question: Do you think New York is one of those teams that people wouldn’t mind…
Walsh: Well because we are at eight, not at the beginning but maybe at the end. Who knows? I’m not part of that strategy.
Question: What is your opinion about the one-and-done rule? Would you like to see high school kids be able to come out?
Walsh: I’m probably at the other end of the stick. I thought we had a great farm system. And it was free. But it is what it is now. The NCAA.
Question: Do you think there would be less scandals…
Walsh: Well I’m not going to comment on that because I am not in that world anymore. I just think that when guys went to college for four years, when they came out, they were ready to go to the pros. They receive great coaching, they receive a college degree. So when they come into this world they were ready. We as teams now, we have to make up for that when they get here. We’re doing the best we can. We’re fasting getting to a point where we can do it well, but it wasn’t traditionally so what an NBA team did when it started.
Question: Being that you want to compete sooner than later, are you more apt to go with a player who can contribute right now than a player who might be a project and might take a year?
Walsh: It depends who it is. It really depends on how good I think he can be eventually. And that can be an older guy or a younger guy. You have to look at that.
Question: There are a few small point guards in this league. How important is height as a fact for point guards?
Walsh: Well I would like them to be bigger than smaller, but there are obviously some smaller point guards who are making an impact on the league. I think a lot of that has to do with the rules on the perimeter, so they are not counted out just because they are smaller anymore.
Question: Do you think it’s easier for them to get along in today’s NBA than it used to be?
Walsh: Yeah, I do. I think the floor has opened up a lot. It’s very hard to guard some of the quickness that’s coming into the league particularly with smaller guards, without putting your hand on them and that’s a foul now. Back when I started they could pick you up with one hand and that wasn’t a foul. (laughs) But yeah, I think its better.
Question: Is this your last lottery pick in New York?
Walsh: I hope. Well I’ll say this, whether I was in New York or Indiana, I hope this is my last lottery pick. I never like being in the lottery.
Question: As the Celtics and the Lakers have proven the last couple of years, if you take on salary, there are big time players available if you want to make a trade. Do you think that will happen again this year given how many teams are trying to cut costs?
Walsh: Yeah, I think the guys you think can make a difference to take you from a losing team to a winning team, people will make the investment. But if its close, they might night.
Question: Do you think there are teams that are willing to take on salary anymore?
Walsh: Yeah, I do. I mean, I think there will be, if they see its going to push them up into a winning team. Because if you have a winning team, then you fill the stands and you make a lot more money. And I think that’s the way those teams think. And they want a chance to win the playoffs.
Question: Do you have a better feeling about the David Lee situation today than you did when the season ended?
Walsh: Absolutely not, because I’m not allowed to talk to him or his agent. I mean, I can say hello and that kind of stuff, but no I don’t. I won’t know that until July 1.
Question: How is (Danilo) Gallinari’s recovery?
Walsh: Good, from what I’m told. He went to a photo shoot for the league I think, so I haven’t seen him in about a week. But all the reports I’m getting back is that the operation was a success, and whatever remains to be done is more rehab, and then I have to talk to him to know exactly, but it doesn’t seem to be a big obstacle for him. The doctor is at the point where she’ll let him go play now. But I haven’t talked to her. But he’s close.
Question: Can any pick you make be influenced by what you might possibly want to do later in the summer in free agency or trades or whatever?
Walsh: Well, you are always influenced by what you need and what you might do. So yes, those things could come into it. I’m at a stage now though where I’m trying to see who is the best player for the team, and I’m assuming if you do that, then those things will be there.
Question: Any sense of what the chances are you are going to stay at eight at this point?
Walsh: No, I mean, how many trades get done in the draft? Whatever that percentage is, that’s what it is. Everyone wants to move up all the time.
Question: How confident are you after this offseason ends that you can make the playoffs?
Walsh: Well look, that’s what we want to do. Confident? Well I won’t be confident until we do it. I mean, we’ve got to go out and do it. You can go out and talk about it all you want, but the idea is to try to get to that. And I talked on my first day here, that the most difficult thing will be last year and this year because you’ve got to be very careful with what you’re doing if you have a strategy, like trying to stay under the cap?
Question: How’s Eddy Curry?
Walsh: He’s doing well, from everything I’ve heard. I did see him one day on the day of the Chicago thing, I went up to Detroit and watched him work out. And he’s working very hard, he’s losing weight, and he’s starting to get his body to look like an athlete’s body again. I have to give him credit for working as hard as he can work to try to do it.
Question: When you watch the Finals and you see how the playoffs shook out, bigs are valuable. You have one that a couple of years ago was in the conversation to be an all-star…
Walsh: Yeah, and bigs are valuable in the playoffs. That’s when they are at their best and you really need them, because they can distort the game. And he’s a low post player. Now, at the four and sometimes at the five, you get guys who are standing outside shooting. But when you get to the playoffs, that isn’t as dramatic as having a guy they have to double-team and have to worry about all the time. So you always want that.
Question:What about Jonny Flynn?
Walsh: He’s a guy, who even in college, if you catch him on the right day, even in these workouts, this guy, if teams want a certain type of point guard, then you go for him.
Question: What about Sacramento and all the talk about them and what they might do?
Walsh: Well they are the eye of the storm right now. Everyone is trying to figure out what they are going to do, and it will be different tomorrow.
Question: Hypothetically, if Rubio is sitting there are eight, is it a slam dunk that you would take him?
Walsh: It depends who he is with. I can’t predict who he will be with. But I think there are other players who are on his level. He has experience, a great game, flair – but like most players in the draft he’s got some things he does better than most NBA players and he some things that he doesn’t do. And I can’t think of anybody in this draft that doesn’t fit into that category. That’s where he is. He’s like 6-foot-4, 6-foot-5. That’s a big guard.
Question: Is that what you like most about Holiday, that he is a two-way player?
Walsh: Yeah. I mean, he’s a good player. And he is good defensively, yeah.
Question: Of the guards, is Evans the most explosive going to the basket?
Walsh: Well, he is one of them because he is powerful and he has a great handle. If he gets kind of an opening, he is very strong so he gets there. There are a couple who get there one quickness, he gets there because of that. And he can pass too. If you help off on him, which you are probably going to have to do, he will get the open guy.
Question: Is he a combo guy? Is he more of a two in your mind?
Walsh: No. I think he can play both, but he will be a point guard eventually in the NBA. You can post him. I think he weighs 215.
Question: Does he have to work on his shot a little bit?
Walsh: Yeah, but I didn’t see – all these guys that I heard couldn’t shoot, that would be the quote, I didn’t think they were that far away. So I think all these guys they are saying that about, they will get better in the NBA because most players once the concentrate on being a pro and are shooting all the time, they get better. And their form, these guys forms at this point, they are not bad. I mean, he shot it well when he was here. He was hitting threes. He shot it very well.
Question: Are there questions about Stephen Curry defensively?
Walsh: Well, I think you have to have a system for all these players, and to me, a guy like Curry is smart enough to figure it out and learn how to play in the NBA defensively.
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